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[Stephanie]

I can't imagine what he'd gain by casually volunteering that Jeremy used to bake cakes in prison.

What do you think Jeremy Bamber archives when he volunteers casually in his blogs or letters that he loves to bake cakes

Makes him sound soft doesn't it

Domesticated almost


He's a teller of tales Roch

[Stephanie]

He used to bake cakes in prison. Paddy Conroy told me that.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1690.0.html

Quite a character... was in HMP Full Sutton early 90's.  I've swapped a few messages with him about Jeremy.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000605413389

http://paddyconroy.awardspace.co.uk/index.html

VORTEX / Grahame

In a nutshell, while he immediately expressed it was a disgraceful fit up / railroading, he also added that he had a doubt about Jeremy's innocence.  Though he was not aware of several developments in recent years and upon pointing those out, he dispelled that doubt.  He actually volunteered the opinion that Freemasons would likely be behind any cover up.  I had not mentioned that subject to him my self. He is looking to take a lie detector test on television with regards to his own case.  He mentioned that there is a new British built device, tried to send me the link for this but the link wouldn't show.

Just to add,  he posted up my logs vid and he has about 450 subscribers to his page / posts.  His posts often touch upon corruption, usually relating to police / criminal relationships etc.

I think the cops have tried to pin murders on him.  He has alleged that his former rivals / enemies (the Sayers) were in collusion with police.

About which bit?


Sorry - I may have misinterpretted, but the way you said "I think the cops have tried to pin murders on him." suggested that he said that to you and you believed him?


Right, I see what you mean.  It's no secret in these parts.  But I'm just not that much of an expert on Newcastle underworld figures, so I don't know the ins and outs of exactly what has taken place.  But there was a long running feud between several families.  Cops were involved on one side (info exchanged etc).  Donal McIntyre might know more about it.

I have paraphrased Paddy here.  But he does have a point.  How on earth do the authorities contemplate dealing with a fit up of the magnitude of the Bamber case?  How on earth do they admit to the British public that numerous others of good standing, from an ACC downwards, had some involvement.  Or that the DPP attempted to obstruct the release of even the edited logs?  Or that there is no evidence trail for the main prosecution exhibit that corresponds to when it was supposedly found / tested? 

In this climate of financial cuts also.  'We cant afford a scandal' takes on a monetary meaning. 

I think Paddy is referring to obdurate obstructions.  A brick wall.  A wall of silence.  A wall of excuses.  A wall of fobbing off.  A wall of delays.  A wall of passing the buck.  A wall of lies.

[guest2181]

Not unusually high, just high compared to a standard household.

It wasn't a standard household.
It was a farmhouse on a working farm, not a house on a housing estate.

A couple of shotguns, a 22, another 22 belonging to a nephew and an air rifle. I don't think that should be considered unusual.

[Stephanie]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1690.0.html

Notorious Paddy Conroy hey Roch

Do you still exchange messages with him?

If I'd closed my eyes and someone had read me that thread I'd swear it was David1819

[Kaldin]

It wasn't a standard household.
It was a farmhouse on a working farm, not a house on a housing estate.

A couple of shotguns, a 22, another 22 belonging to a nephew and an air rifle. I don't think that should be considered unusual.

I read there were seven guns there.

[guest2181]

He wouldn't have been in a fit state to escape either. His aim would have been to stop the killer getting more bullets - he would have known the killer had run out.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean, how could you possibly know?

I don't know whether he was upstairs or downstairs, or whether he ran or chased. Personally I believe he fled.

I'm cautious that people are trying to place NB downstairs alone simply to place him near the telephone.

[Roch]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1690.0.html

I don't understand why Bamber baking cakes in prison is a problem. Or why another ex-prisoner would be in on some kind of cake conspiracy. 

[Kaldin]

I'm not sure I agree with that. I mean, how could you possibly know?

I don't know whether he was upstairs or downstairs, or whether he ran or chased. Personally I believe he fled.

I'm cautious that people are trying to place NB downstairs alone simply to place him near the telephone.

What other reason would he have for following the killer downstairs? Where is the source for saying that Nevill went downstairs followed by the killer?

I'm not saying Nevill went downstairs to call Jeremy at that point - if he did so, he must have done so earlier.

[guest154]

Not unusually high, just high compared to a standard household.

Standard household Vs A farmhouse?
Apples and oranges again.

[guest2181]

I read there were seven guns there.

Possibly 8.

[guest154]

I'm not saying Nevill went downstairs to call Jeremy at that point - if he did so, he must have done so earlier.

Do you believe he did at ANY point?

[Jane]

He wouldn't have been in a fit state to escape either. His aim would have been to stop the killer getting more bullets - he would have known the killer had run out.

I would be interested to know why you think Nevill would have known that the killer had run out before the killer knew he's run out. I can see that, had it been an exercise, he may have been counting, but surely the shock and pain caused by having been shot would have made difficult, thinking dispassionately and counting the previous shots.

[guest2181]

What other reason would he have for following the killer downstairs? Where is the source for saying that Nevill went downstairs followed by the killer?

I'm not saying Nevill went downstairs to call Jeremy at that point - if he did so, he must have done so earlier.

There is no source Kaldin.

I just believe he had been shot several times, including one which shattered his jaw, and he fled the bedroom and managed to get as far as the kitchen before being set upon.

[Stephanie]

I don't understand why Bamber baking cakes in prison is a problem. Or why another ex-prisoner would be in on some kind of cake conspiracy.

Maybe it's because you are "naive or a realist?" As you once suggested people call you below 

Good post, Jackiepreece! +1


Unless those members of the jury are aware of any of the controversies in the 26 years since the trial, such as inconsistencies debated on this forum, they may still hold what I would call the 'conventional' view.  Some may have took some notice when he passed the polygraph.  Some may not even be alive today.  The version sold to the masses is the cliched 'ice cold, calculating, psycho child-killer'.  The general public need villains.   People, including jury members, may not easily relinquish the conventional version of events as told at trial.  The info debated on this forum is not going reach that many people in the wider sense.  Personally I still fail to see how public immunity, in this particular case, can be anything else other than a serious attempt to impede the truth being known.  I've not read a single good reason on this forum as to why it is has been used.  I'm also very dubious about the official version of the crime scene ammo / entry wounds etc.  It seems a bit sad to me that posters may be falling in to the trap of debating a staged crime scene, for the purpose of reinforcing Bamber's guilt.  All this stuff about the prosecution having done its' job and guilty til proven innocent.  To me it seems like people are more concerned with the state's selective version of due legal process rather than gaining a true picture of what really happened.  Call me naive or idealist if you like.

BTW Roch I do not believe in conspiracy theories

[Kaldin]

Possibly 8.

That's quite a lot of guns. Why did they need so many?