Bullets fired and reloading

[Kaldin]

The lack of blood staining is still an issue for me. Other than two bloodstains on the carpet immediately outside the master bedroom door, and a blood stain on the wall next to the hall door leading in to the kitchen, there isn't any.

Yes, one little smear of blood on the wallpaper doesn't seem to stack up for a man who's been shot several times, twice in the face. I feel bad sometimes being so matter of fact about this, the poor man must have been terrified and in terrible pain.

[Kaldin]

Hartley this lack of blood had baffled me until I saw the rolled-up rug in the bedroom. I gathered it had been rolled/folded and put to one side because it would have been saturated and not ideal for officers to have walked on. This rug/carpet would have originally covered a large area of the room,such as demonstrated in Sheila's room.

I still haven't see the rolled up rug lookout. There was a rug there but not rolled up - it was on the floor at the bottom of the bed, so where would another one have been?

[lookout]

I still haven't see the rolled up rug lookout. There was a rug there but not rolled up - it was on the floor at the bottom of the bed, so where would another one have been?

The large rug folded/rolled up ( a Turkish ? patterened one ) would have originally been over/on top of the existing pale coloured fitted  one in which Sheila is lying on.

[Kaldin]

The large rug folded/rolled up ( a Turkish ? patterened one ) would have originally been over/on top of the existing pale coloured fitted  one in which Sheila is lying on.

There was no rug there at the time of the killings though - there are spots of blood on the carpet.

[guest154]

It matters because it would mean that Nevill was not shot four times in the kitchen.

Not possible.

Quite true Matt, it’s impossible to say who was shot first or from where, the raid team could easily have kicked anything about unknowingly, we do know they were close range shots, the two shells that interest me are the ones found either side of Sheila, one to the left and one to the right.  The rifle jamming as I stated before could also have played a part who knows?   Welcome back by the way.

Thanks. I agree "who knows".

[Kaldin]

Not possible.


Thanks. I agree "who knows".

How do you explain the disappearance of an empty cartridge from the kitchen then?

[guest154]

By being stood in the doorway facing in to the bedroom maybe.

Hartley, have you read Holly's comment on the extra bullet?

[lookout]

There was no rug there at the time of the killings though - there are spots of blood on the carpet.

Only spots of blood though and not really what you'd have expected from the many shots that June took ? I'm aware that June may have already been deceased after other shots were fired as there'd have been no pumping of blood at all.
The only conclusion I can come to was that most of the blood had been in the kitchen,but from one wounded person ?
I don't know the answer to the lack of blood in the bedroom. Or why that carpet had been put to one side.

I remember a few years ago saying that EP had moved that top carpet and on doing so had created those spots of blood as it dripped off the carpet.
If you notice,Sheila was lying on a small makeshift rug which was obviously to contain most of the staining beneath her.

[Kaldin]

Only spots of blood though and not really what you'd have expected from the many shots that June took ? I'm aware that June may have already been deceased after other shots were fired as there'd have been no pumping of blood at all.
The only conclusion I can come to was that most of the blood had been in the kitchen,but from one wounded person ?
I don't know the answer to the lack of blood in the bedroom. Or why that carpet had been put to one side.

I remember a few years ago saying that EP had moved that top carpet and on doing so had created those spots of blood as it dripped off the carpet.
If you notice,Sheila was lying on a small makeshift rug which was obviously to contain most of the staining beneath her.

There were quite a lot spots of blood though, and there wouldn't have been any around Nevill's side of the bed if a large rug had been there. I don't think the spots could have dripped off a rug - they would have been dry by then. Also, why would there be a small rug underneath a large rug?

Can you find the photo of the rolled up rug?

[lookout]

There were quite a lot spots of blood though, and there wouldn't have been any around Nevill's side of the bed if a large rug had been there. I don't think the spots could have dripped off a rug - they would have been dry by then. Also, why would there be a small rug underneath a large rug?

Can you find the photo of the rolled up rug?

I'll try and find the pic. I'm sure it was on the forum not long ago but I've forgotten what the thread had been about. The carpet is near one of the bedside cabinets and looks too large and cumbersome to be a bedside rug.

[Kaldin]

Anyway, here's what could have happened.

The killer goes upstairs and shoots June five times. Nevill is either in the room at the time or he's in the kitchen and goes upstairs. He's shot four times. The killer runs out of bullets, so he/she goes downstairs - possible to reload or possibly just to escape. Nevill follows the killer to the kitchen to disarm him/her, and that's when the "struggle" takes place. Nevill becomes unconscious or too badly hurt to be a danger to the killer, so the killer reloads the magazine and shoots Nevill four times. The missing empty cartridge is ejected or transferred upstairs somehow.

[lookout]

On searching through for that carpet,there's a pic of the Bible behind the door ? It gets worse 

[Stephanie]

On searching through for that carpet,there's a pic of the Bible behind the door ? It gets worse 

Which pic are you referring to Lookout

Is it an original, a copy, doctored?

One of Bills pics

Or maybe one of Roch's

[Stephanie]

Anyway, here's what could have happened.

The killer goes upstairs and shoots June five times. Nevill is either in the room at the time or he's in the kitchen and goes upstairs. He's shot four times. The killer runs out of bullets, so he/she goes downstairs - possible to reload or possibly just to escape. Nevill follows the killer to the kitchen to disarm him/her, and that's when the "struggle" takes place. Nevill becomes unconscious or too badly hurt to be a danger to the killer, so the killer reloads the magazine and shoots Nevill four times. The missing empty cartridge is ejected or transferred upstairs somehow.

It could have but it didn't!

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[Kaldin]

It could have but it didn't!

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Do you have an alternative explanation?