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Offline sherlock

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2017, 10:14:PM »
She was psychotic -don't tell Lookout, though- so that can hardly be called a rage. More fear, I'd say.

Freddie was in fear throughout the incidence ...

So he must have been experiencing it as anger coming from Sheila ...

He supplied her with cocaine ...

Most cocaine addicts go into fits of rage at times anyway ...

Even Julie probably did as well when hers ran out ...

its normally the day after the rages start ....

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2017, 10:18:PM »
It's either Sheila or Jeremy because of the alleged telephone call. If you can figure out how a young woman who was walking stiffly at Vaulty Manor, with no seeming movement in her head or trunk at half past three ,was reported as "vague and distant" in the Tiptree shop with smudged lipstick on her teeth some time later, was described as "like a zombie" by Pamela at 10:00pm could turn into Wonderwoman then I'd like to hear it.

You don't need to be wonderwoman to shoot people in the first place.
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2017, 10:25:PM »
Freddie was in fear throughout the incidence ...

So he must have been experiencing it as anger coming from Sheila ...

He supplied her with cocaine ...

Most cocaine addicts go into fits of rage at times anyway ...

Even Julie probably did as well when hers ran out ...

its normally the day after the rages start ....

Certainly Freddie would have been out of his depth.

There is no suggestion that she ever tried to attack him

There is no suggestion that she was an addict

Where is it said that Julie was an addict

You're making sweeping statements.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2017, 10:26:PM »
I don't recall you EVER having posted about this before

Where is it stated Sheila went "in and out of rages?"

Jeremy told me
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2017, 10:27:PM »
Jeremy told me

Of course he did  ;D
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #125 on: October 08, 2017, 10:29:PM »
Jeremy told me


Well, I guess that settles it. When all else fails, just say "Jeremy told me"!!! ::) ::) ::)
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #126 on: October 08, 2017, 10:31:PM »
Certainly Freddie would have been out of his depth.

There is no suggestion that she ever tried to attack him

There is no suggestion that she was an addict

Where is it said that Julie was an addict

You're making sweeping statements.

She told her psychiatrist that she got her cocaine from Freddie ...

Cocaine users are nearly always addicts ie regular users ....

Freddie was in fear he would be attacked - but you are right - he was not ....

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #127 on: October 08, 2017, 10:32:PM »
Jeremy told me

Did he tell you what clothes she had on at the dinner table

Did you ever bother to ask

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #128 on: October 08, 2017, 10:34:PM »
Jeremy told me

did you ever ask him why he wore Sheila's clothes

And why he burned his parents clothing in the fire pit
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #129 on: October 08, 2017, 10:36:PM »
She told her psychiatrist that she got her cocaine from Freddie ...

Cocaine users are nearly always addicts ie regular users ....

Freddie was in fear he would be attacked - but you are right - he was not ....

I don't deny that, however...............

...............it's a huge leap from recreational to addict............

...........and if Freddie thought he may be witnessing something he'd contributed to, it's reasonable to think he'd have been scared.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #130 on: October 08, 2017, 10:44:PM »
did you ever ask him why he wore Sheila's clothes

And why he burned his parents clothing in the fire pit

Yeah, he has an androgynous look about him.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #131 on: October 08, 2017, 10:45:PM »
I don't deny that, however...............

...............it's a huge leap from recreational to addict............

...........and if Freddie thought he may be witnessing something he'd contributed to, it's reasonable to think he'd have been scared.
It is a fact that some people only need to use cocaine once to become addicted while others never become addicted. It also depends to a certain extent how it's taken, crack cocaine, which is smoked/inhaled is particularly highly addictive and causes dangerous behaviour.

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #132 on: October 08, 2017, 10:49:PM »
did you ever ask him why he wore Sheila's clothes

And why he burned his parents clothing in the fire pit

I asked him loads
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #133 on: October 08, 2017, 10:50:PM »
Yeah, he has an androgynous look about him.

I was interested in the jumper

It has been stated in two different books ,that after the murders,JB and BC spent alot of time at Sheilas flat.People stated that he was using his sisters clothes,ie:tight jeans and jumpers.When JB got arrested at the flat,the white arran jumper he is seen wearing in the photos was Sheilas.
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Re: What clothes was Sheila wearing in the evening ...
« Reply #134 on: October 08, 2017, 10:55:PM »
It is a fact that some people only need to use cocaine once to become addicted while others never become addicted. It also depends to a certain extent how it's taken, crack cocaine, which is smoked/inhaled is particularly highly addictive and causes dangerous behaviour.

But no one has yet provided evidence that Sheila was an addict. We can speculate for ever. We can turn her from a recreational drug user to someone who turned to prostitution to feed her habit -if we want to make her responsible for the murders- but speculation is all it will ever be.