Why wasn't crispy shot?

[Caroline]

What a complete load of twaddle.

Jeremy never stated that "June seemed all for it" 

June never stated that she "didn't want them to be fostered[/i]" 

Your distortions stand out like an elephant in a flock of sheep!

 

[Kaldin]

June may well have been against the boys being fostered in London, but not so much against them being fostered locally to her. Why on earth would they need to be fostered anyway? They had a perfectly good father to look after them.

[Jane]

June may well have been against the boys being fostered in London, but not so much against them being fostered locally to her. Why on earth would they need to be fostered anyway? They had a perfectly good father to look after them.

It rather sounds as if June and Nevill may have felt they had the right to be in sole loco parentis to the boys. Naturally, I suppose, if it was they who were dishing the dosh.

[David1819]

Well done, now provide "June seemed all for it" 

[Kaldin]

It rather sounds as if June and Nevill may have felt they had the right to be in sole loco parentis to the boys. Naturally, I suppose, if it was they who were dishing the dosh.

Yes, if such a discussion took place. Colin was looking after them at the time, and I don't recall him giving any reason that he couldn't continue to do so.

[Jane]

Yes, if such a discussion took place. Colin was looking after them at the time, and I don't recall him giving any reason that he couldn't continue to do so.

Can you provide any evidence that any such discussion ever took place? I can understand that the Bambers may have felt that ultimate responsibility, for the boys' welfare, was theirs, even though it wasn't. This, though, is often a problem where financial input is part of an equation.

[Kaldin]

Can you provide any evidence that any such discussion ever took place? I can understand that the Bambers may have felt that ultimate responsibility, for the boys' welfare, was theirs, even though it wasn't. This, though, is often a problem where financial input is part of an equation.

Of course I can't provide evidence of that. Nobody can provide evidence that it didn't happen either though.

I'm just wondering about the letter from Colin to Nevill, which was rather stern. Perhaps June and Nevill took offence at it and thought that Colin would stop them seeing the twins or something.

[Jane]

Of course I can't provide evidence of that. Nobody can provide evidence that it didn't happen either though.

I'm just wondering about the letter from Colin to Nevill, which was rather stern. Perhaps June and Nevill took offence at it and thought that Colin would stop them seeing the twins or something.

To the best of my knowledge, they didn't know of it's existence because Colin never gave it to them.

[Kaldin]

To the best of my knowledge, they didn't know of it's existence because Colin never gave it to them.

Really?

It does give an impression of his state of mind and feelings about the Bambers though when it came to the boys. Perhaps he said something to them at some stage, and they felt he might not let them see the boys so much.

[lookout]

Personally I'd have said that Colin had been fed up with the dictatorial attitude that had been present surrounding the care of his sons. It was as though he didn't exist as the father of them and hadn't been allowed to have a say on the matter.
He didn't want them ending up like Sheila because of June's control and influence regarding religion and the only way of expressing how he'd felt was by writing the letter to Nevill.
What a shocking position to have been in,as it was his wife's/ex-wife's parents he'd be confronting. Not the type you could sit down and explain anything with. That in itself was a horrible thought as there was no reasoning with June anyway.
Just a shocking and hopeless situation. 

[Kaldin]

Jane is right that Colin never sent the letter.

However, he did say in his statement that he didn't allow the twins to go to the farm between March and August 1985 because he was unhappy with Junes "religious mania". The Bambers might have been aware of his reasons and been afraid that he would not allow them to see the twins if he had full custody of them. That might in turn have made them keen on the idea of the boys being fostered locally. Sheila could have gone to live with them of course and taken the twins with her, but Sheila didn't want to do that, so the Bambers would know that there was a possibility of Sheila losing any custody of them.

[Jane]

Really?

It does give an impression of his state of mind and feelings about the Bambers though when it came to the boys. Perhaps he said something to them at some stage, and they felt he might not let them see the boys so much.

I wouldn't like to say what were Colin's views on religion per se -he was obviously open to the esoteric- but he didn't like the way he thought June was pushing it down the boys' throats. There was a comment about him not allowing her to fxxk up the lives of the boys in the way she'd done with Sheila's.

[lookout]

Colin was more for mediums and clairvoyancy. The opposite of religion I'd have said.

[Jane]

Colin was more for mediums and clairvoyancy. The opposite of religion I'd have said.

Which is exactly what I said. ESOTERIC!!!!!!!

[lookout]

Which is exactly what I said. ESOTERIC!!!!!!!

Ooops,must have missed that.