Vaulty Manor Farm

[lookout]

I'm sure that JB was intelligent enough at the time to realise that by murdering all his family would not secure a financial future for him.
This wasn't a money-orientated murder.

[Adam]

I'm sure that JB was intelligent enough at the time to realise that by murdering all his family would not secure a financial future for him.
This wasn't a money-orientated murder.

https://youtu.be/_LNqtwFjFBM

Bamber is an 'inheritance killer'.

[lookout]

https://youtu.be/_LNqtwFjFBM

Bamber is an 'inheritance killer'.

He's no killer and the murders weren't for financial gain either.

[Jane]

I'm sure that JB was intelligent enough at the time to realise that by murdering all his family would not secure a financial future for him.
This wasn't a money-orientated murder.

But his arrogance overrode his intelligence. He believed he was clever enough to get away with it.

[Jane]

He's no killer and the murders weren't for financial gain either.

His behaviours, post murders, VERY much suggest otherwise.

[lookout]

But his arrogance overrode his intelligence. He believed he was clever enough to get away with it.

His " arrogance " sprang from his position in life as is seen in very many,but that alone doesn't spell murder,it's an obnoxious behaviour at the best of times and something which occurs in those who think they're a " cut above " which I think is a sad indictment of how those people view life in general. Many end up coming down to earth with a bump !
However, JB's arrogance would never have overridden his intelligence because it was a part of his behaviour which he could switch on and off dependent on a situation when he used it to his advantage i.e when being interviewed by EP.

[Jane]

His " arrogance " sprang from his position in life as is seen in very many,but that alone doesn't spell murder,it's an obnoxious behaviour at the best of times and something which occurs in those who think they're a " cut above " which I think is a sad indictment of how those people view life in general. Many end up coming down to earth with a bump !
However, JB's arrogance would never have overridden his intelligence because it was a part of his behaviour which he could switch on and off dependent on a situation when he used it to his advantage i.e when being interviewed by EP.

I'd suggest it was an innate part of his being. Of who he was. It may well be that, under certain circumstances, ie pulling women, playing at being 'one of the crowd', he could put it aside, but he wasn't too astute about it -he lost a lot of brownie points, in court, when he used it, on counsel, to full effect. It was a brilliant example of trying to display superiority.

[lookout]

I'd suggest it was an innate part of his being. Of who he was. It may well be that, under certain circumstances, ie pulling women, playing at being 'one of the crowd', he could put it aside, but he wasn't too astute about it -he lost a lot of brownie points, in court, when he used it, on counsel, to full effect. It was a brilliant example of trying to display superiority.

Still doesn't make him the murderer though.

[Jane]

Still doesn't make him the murderer though.

No, but the belief, that if he could eliminate those who stood in the way of him getting his hands on the purse strings, and prevented him from leading the life HE chose, did.

[lookout]

No, but the belief, that if he could eliminate those who stood in the way of him getting his hands on the purse strings, and prevented him from leading the life HE chose, did.

There was enough money in the place which had remained untouched that night------until the relatives got their mitts on it,and not Jeremy.
Jeremy would also have been aware that it had been only a matter of time before grannie passed on,and he'd have had an idea that a few quid would be coming his way,he having been her favourite.

[lookout]

Let's not forget that " soft lad " even handed over the keys to WHF without having gone through the place himself ?? Not exactly the mark of a greedy,grasping,money-grubbing murderer.

[Jane]

There was enough money in the place which had remained untouched that night------until the relatives got their mitts on it,and not Jeremy.
Jeremy would also have been aware that it had been only a matter of time before grannie passed on,and he'd have had an idea that a few quid would be coming his way,he having been her favourite.

But he'd still have been tied to the farm before there came his way, enough to untie the knot forever.

[Jane]

Let's not forget that " soft lad " even handed over the keys to WHF without having gone through the place himself ?? Not exactly the mark of a greedy,grasping,money-grubbing murderer.

The "soft lad" was arrogant enough to believe he'd heaped enough guilt Sheila's way to have got away with it.

[lookout]

But he'd still have been tied to the farm before there came his way, enough to untie the knot forever.

He'd enjoyed being " tied to the farm ".This phrase " tied " was yet another myth brought about by those who wanted to look at it in that light. Sure,he was human and like most,got fed up at times,but he knew which side his bread was buttered and life on the farm wasn't all that bad as latterly his father was teaching him about the business side of things in readiness to take a foothold in the running of the place.

[Kaldin]

Jane, when you say that Jeremy was destined to be their next CEO, which business are you referring to? I'm still learning about the money trail, but Ann was not involved in N&J Bamber or any of the other business interests of Nevill Bamber. She owned shares in the caravan park, as Jeremy did, but so did her mother and June in equal shares. Why then would he destined to be CEO of that business?

Vaulty Manor Farm was leased by Mabel Speakman. If Nevill wanted to buy it, how would that impact Ann, other than her possibly not being able to live in it? The land at Totham would impact her, unless she and Peter could buy it from Nevill/June.