Where did the allegations in the Mckensie report originate; Jeremy Bamber?

[Stephanie]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4779.msg200880.html#msg200880

[Stephanie]

Who made these particular allegations for example?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6690.msg304722.html#msg304722

Where did they originate?

[Stephanie]

And who are James Stevenson and Dr Peter Wright?

Are they still involved in alleged miscarriages of justice?

Do they still support Jeremy Bambers claims of innocence?

[Stephanie]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4779.msg200880.html#msg200880

Was the Manchester Mckensie Organisation similar to the Wrongly Accused Person Organisation? This of course being one example.

[Stephanie]

I'm hoping this thread will get to the bottom of these allegations in order to determine the source.

And please no circular conversations or disruptive and derailing posts 

[Stephanie]

Claims made by Manchester Mckenzie are claims not facts or evidence. Only if their claims are supported by proof does it amount to evidence or facts.

Agreed!

I'm interested to learn where the majority of "allegations" made regarding this case and claims of innocence originated from in order to establish how they then grew over the years.

With regards the SH case I was in a position to figure this out quite quickly. In the main, SH had been responsible. A handful of others, in their nativity (me included), failed to recognise where they started and how they were allowed to grow and how SH was able to maintain his lies for so long.

[Stephanie]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3172.0.html

It's a shame previous threads like the one above have been derailed

This seems to be common practice when crucial facts start to unravel

I doubt that anyone would recall perfectly every detail especially after what was a long and extremely traumatic day . Do you never use hindsight and prompts from elsewhere to ever so slightly change a recollection of some event or other . As more details leak from the police I think it perfectly reasonable that Jeremy's recollections change slightly .

Good to see you back btw Gringo

Bamber slipped up with regards timings - it had nothing to to with his recollection

As more details leak Jeremy's story changes, as is evidenced these past 3 decades

He's manufactured a wealth of rubbish over the years and manipulated many in the process

[Reader]

What do you mean by "slipped up" in relation to timings? Does this make sense if he wasn't guilty, and so had no reason to establish accurate times for the unfolding events of 7th August 1985 as they occurred?

[Stephanie]

What do you mean by "slipped up" in relation to timings? Does this make sense if he wasn't guilty, and so had no reason to establish accurate times for the unfolding events of 7th August 1985 as they occurred?

He slipped up: was caught in the lie..

Like he slipped up in 1991 by accusing AP of being the murderer 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4209.0 (last page of his letter to Mike)

[David1819]

He slipped up: was caught in the lie..

Like he slipped up in 1991 by accusing AP of being the murderer 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4209.0 (last page of his letter to Mike)

Try reading the letter in the correct context. He states "if it wasn't Sheila" while entertaining the thought of it being AP. Furthermore if Jeremy is being told that Sheila could not have done it while knowing he didn't do it either you cannot blame him for considering a 3rd party.

[lookout]

Quite right about your post,David. I think anyone,no matter who ,in such a situation knowing it wasn't them would start immediately thinking of a third party-------I know I would. So would everyone else if they were honest.

[nugnug]

you would not want to belive that your sister would of done such a thing so speculating that your cosen did isnt that unreasonable.

i mean to begin with everybody thought it was a 3rd party the relatives did not think jeremy actully did the dead himself.

and while ap is an unlikely suspect i dont think he can be completly ruled out.

[Adam]

It has to be Bamber or a third party.

There is no evidence on Sheila or her nightdress that she fired 26 bullets in three rooms & fought with a man twice as big as her.

Nevill's call to Bamber only lasted 2-4 seconds before the phone was put down. Only 8 or 11 words were said.

So a half asleep Bamber wouldn't realise it was RB or AP on the phone & just assume it was Nevill.

Very extreme to think a relative killed men, women & children. Used Sheila as a scapehoat and then told the police it was Bamber, not Sheila.   Never heard anything like it.

[David1819]

It has to be Bamber or a third party.

There is no evidence on Sheila or her nightdress that she fired 26 bullets in three rooms & fought with a man twice as big as her.

You don't know there is no evidence on the nightdress because EP destroyed it before any advanced testing could be done. 

There is at least one of Sheila's fingerprints on the gun plus there is four times as much led on her right hand than her left, the same hand she would use to load the bullets.

[nugnug]

It has to be Bamber or a third party.

There is no evidence on Sheila or her nightdress that she fired 26 bullets in three rooms & fought with a man twice as big as her.

Nevill's call to Bamber only lasted 2-4 seconds before the phone was put down. Only 8 or 11 words were said.

So a half asleep Bamber wouldn't realise it was RB or AP on the phone & just assume it was Nevill.

Very extreme to think a relative killed men, women & children. Used Sheila as a scapehoat and then told the police it was Bamber, not Sheila.   Never heard anything like it.

i think your forgeting something adam there should be gsr on the nightdress who ever did it and lack of it would actully point to sheila more than jeremy becouse if she was alive she could of washed her night dress or changed it if she was dead she couldent.