More bamber confusion?

[vidvic]

Last week, mike posted a recollection of a conversation with bamber, over whether he called police or Julie first.....

Mike said;


"If I remember rightly, I may have called Julie after dad called, I think I called Julie before I called the police", says he...

"well", says I, "You either did, or you didn't, now which is it"?

" I think I must have called Julie after dad called, and then I called the police", says he...

"You sure about that"?

"Yeah", says he, " I think I did", says he...
"Why would you call Julie, before you make the call to the police", asks I...

"I just wanted to tell her there was something wrong at the farm", says he...

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In 2003, bamber was telling a different story....in fact, he was claiming that his call to police ENDED at 3.26.....

The timing of the phone calls was deliberately manipulated by the police and Ann Eaton in an attempt to undermine the fact that the appellant received a call from his father at 3.10am, phoned the police at 3.20am and phoned Julie Mugford at 3.30am. The Crown withheld evidence from the appellant that would have allowed this to have been proven at his trial.

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Poor Ann. She gets blamed for everything!


Which of the above stories is true or neither?…......

[gringo]

Last week, mike posted a recollection of a conversation with bamber, over whether he called police or Julie first.....

Mike said;


"If I remember rightly, I may have called Julie after dad called, I think I called Julie before I called the police", says he...

"well", says I, "You either did, or you didn't, now which is it"?

" I think I must have called Julie after dad called, and then I called the police", says he...

"You sure about that"?

"Yeah", says he, " I think I did", says he...
"Why would you call Julie, before you make the call to the police", asks I...

"I just wanted to tell her there was something wrong at the farm", says he...

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In 2003, bamber was telling a different story....in fact, he was claiming that his call to police ENDED at 3.26.....

The timing of the phone calls was deliberately manipulated by the police and Ann Eaton in an attempt to undermine the fact that the appellant received a call from his father at 3.10am, phoned the police at 3.20am and phoned Julie Mugford at 3.30am. The Crown withheld evidence from the appellant that would have allowed this to have been proven at his trial.

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Poor Ann. She gets blamed for everything!


Which of the above stories is true or neither?…......

I doubt that anyone would recall perfectly every detail especially after what was a long and extremely traumatic day . Do you never use hindsight and prompts from elsewhere to ever so slightly change a recollection of some event or other . As more details leak from the police I think it perfectly reasonable that Jeremy's recollections change slightly .

[tyler]

You would have thought JB would have had his story straight regarding the phone calls since according to JM he had been planning it all for a year! 

[jon]

Was AE correct when she claimed a policeman told her SC body was on the bed ?

Who was lying AE or MC ?

 

[Caroline R]

I doubt that anyone would recall perfectly every detail especially after what was a long and extremely traumatic day . Do you never use hindsight and prompts from elsewhere to ever so slightly change a recollection of some event or other . As more details leak from the police I think it perfectly reasonable that Jeremy's recollections change slightly .

And at the time, he didn't know the times would be important given that he didn't know the scale of the situation - Had it been planned, I'm sure he'd surely have done a better job at planning who called who and when!

[tonyb]

Was AE correct when she claimed a policeman told her SC body was on the bed ?

Who was lying AE or MC ?

Could easily be neither.

[jon]

Could easily be neither.

How ?

[gringo]

And at the time, he didn't know the times would be important given that he didn't know the scale of the situation - Had it been planned, I'm sure he'd surely have done a better job at planning who called who and when!

Yes and anyway so much happened after the phone calls that it is entirely reasonable that his recollection of order and times would be sketchy . Had it been planned I agree that his recollections would be perfect .

[tonyb]

How ?

Policeman sees body on the floor,far side of the bed.(in relation to where he is standing)
Policeman tells AE the tragic news,and SC was found on the far side of the bed.
AE hears thar SC was found on the far side of the bed
Therefore AE believes SC was found on the bed.

Not saying this happened,just that it easily could of.
When the body on the bed photo is produced it will answer many questions.

[gringo]

Policeman sees body on the floor,far side of the bed.(in relation to where he is standing)
Policeman tells AE the tragic news,and SC was found on the far side of the bed.
AE hears thar SC was found on the far side of the bed
Therefore AE believes SC was found on the bed.

Not saying this happened,just that it easily could of.
When the body on the bed photo is produced it will answer many questions.

If it is neither though , would it be fair to say that these inconsistencies on the defence side (eg call times ) are seen as sinister by the guilty side and a sign of dishonesty ?
  If inconsistencies appear in the prosecution case, like above that show contradictions / discrepancies then it is genuine error .
  Before you say , I agree that this happens in both camps .

[tonyb]

If it is neither though , would it be fair to say that these inconsistencies on the defence side (eg call times ) are seen as sinister by the guilty side and a sign of dishonesty ?
  If inconsistencies appear in the prosecution case, like above that show contradictions / discrepancies then it is genuine error .
  Before you say , I agree that this happens in both camps .

Very true. Undoubtably errors have / do occur on both sides.
IMO however, the errors,contradictions,discrepancies and dare I suggest it,lies should be discussed / argued about till individual forum members draw there own conclusions.
Speaking for myself, there are threads that I read and think " yeah,I can see that happening" and others where it just seems unbelievable to me. These are the treads I'm more vocal on. Not towind anyone up,more to get the answer I'm looking for.

[gringo]

Very true. Undoubtably errors have / do occur on both sides.
IMO however, the errors,contradictions,discrepancies and dare I suggest it,lies should be discussed / argued about till individual forum members draw there own conclusions.
Speaking for myself, there are threads that I read and think " yeah,I can see that happening" and others where it just seems unbelievable to me. These are the treads I'm more vocal on. Not towind anyone up,more to get the answer I'm looking for.

My sentiments also .

[Jane]

Very true. Undoubtably errors have / do occur on both sides.
IMO however, the errors,contradictions,discrepancies and dare I suggest it,lies should be discussed / argued about till individual forum members draw there own conclusions.
Speaking for myself, there are threads that I read and think " yeah,I can see that happening" and others where it just seems unbelievable to me. These are the treads I'm more vocal on. Not towind anyone up,more to get the answer I'm looking for.

I think that what you say applies to most of us. There are threads where I feel I may have something to offer, thread with which I disagree totally and then there are threads about which I know absolutely NOTHING. As far as guns and their velocity(!) are concerned, it's a foreign language and all I know is that it's best not to have the pointy end facing me if it's loaded.

[tonyb]

My sentiments also .

Excellent. We must all strive for the truth. We may not agree with it, but if itis proven,it must therefore be accepted as fact.
For me,one cornerstone is for people to accept JB is guilty. This IS fact. He was found so by the jury. So now you have to prove his innocence.
Not everyone sees it this way,I accept their view. To me it seems more logical to me that's all.

[lookout]

You would have thought JB would have had his story straight regarding the phone calls since according to JM he had been planning it all for a year! 

A criminal would have done,tyler,as they have brilliant memories.! They've got to have,word for word,or else.