Major problem with telephone call claims

[chochokeira]

Also you are looking at all these so called contradictions. But do you look at your watch every time you make a telephone call and note what time it is? If it even entered the head of Jeremy that he needed an alibi then I'm sure he's have paid more attention to time details? What is is with some people? I challenge anyone here to look back at yesterday and note down exactly what time they did certain important things during the day.

Good point, grahame +1

[chochokeira]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

[chochokeira]

As a magistrate Nevill knew that a 999 call would have got an emergecy response.
He did not want this because he had witnessed these moments with Shiela before. so he called Jeremy. Likewise Nevill might have instilled into Jeremy  only to use the 999 number in an emergency only. Jeremy was also aware of these episodes with Shiela, and knew that his Dad could nomally calm Shiela,so to him at this stage it was not an emergency.
It seems that they wanted to at this stage to keep it low key and only involve the local Plod.

Why didn't Neville call the non-999 number directly then, rather than calling Jeremy and having him do it?

Also, if Neville was usually able to calm Sheila during such episodes why would he have called on Jeremy at all?

Bob as I was trying to explain [badly perhaps] if I answer your second question first.He could normally calm Shiela down, but on this occasion could not so called Jeremy for help.
I think this answers the first part of your question.
Please bear in mind that as a magistrate he would not have unwanted publicity, so the local police were his option.

Good points, Cliff +1

[chochokeira]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Yes. I smell collusion.

Also the police couldn't get the time of Jeremy's call right 3.26/3.36 But they expect others to get it right.

I agree, lebaleb +1

[bob]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

I have to disagree Keira - if the phone woke me up in the middle of the night the first thing I would do is look at the alarm clock and think to myself "who the bloody hell is phoning here at 3:27am"! 

And the time would then stick in my mind quite readily.

[clifford]

As a magistrate Nevill knew that a 999 call would have got an emergecy response.
He did not want this because he had witnessed these moments with Shiela before. so he called Jeremy. Likewise Nevill might have instilled into Jeremy  only to use the 999 number in an emergency only. Jeremy was also aware of these episodes with Shiela, and knew that his Dad could nomally calm Shiela,so to him at this stage it was not an emergency.
It seems that they wanted to at this stage to keep it low key and only involve the local Plod.

Why didn't Neville call the non-999 number directly then, rather than calling Jeremy and having him do it?

Also, if Neville was usually able to calm Sheila during such episodes why would he have called on Jeremy at all?

Bob as I was trying to explain [badly perhaps] if I answer your second question first.He could normally calm Shiela down, but on this occasion could not so called Jeremy for help.
I think this answers the first part of your question.
Please bear in mind that as a magistrate he would not have unwanted publicity, so the local police were his option.

Sorry I misunderstood you then Cliff.

But it leads another question, regarding JB's & Sheila's relationship, which I'll raise a new thread for, so this one stays on topic!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,868.0.html

No problem Bob.

[grahameb]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

It's very easy to get your story straight if there are a number of you. Now, what time did such and such happen? Oh about 3 I think. Oh yes I seem to remember that as well. Shall we say 3 o'clock then? Ok, We'll tell the cops 3 o'clock.

[chochokeira]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

It's very easy to get your story straight if there are a number of you. Now, what time did such and such happen? Oh about 3 I think. Oh yes I seem to remember that as well. Shall we say 3 o'clock then? Ok, We'll tell the cops 3 o'clock.

Exactly.

What I'd like to know is why vicvid views discrepancies in times - which let's face it, are part of the human conditon - as a major problem while ignoring the true major problem, one that underlies not just this issue but all others in this case: the huge amount of vital evidence which has been withheld since 1985.

[chochokeira]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

It's very easy to get your story straight if there are a number of you. Now, what time did such and such happen? Oh about 3 I think. Oh yes I seem to remember that as well. Shall we say 3 o'clock then? Ok, We'll tell the cops 3 o'clock.

Exactly.

[bob]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

It's very easy to get your story straight if there are a number of you. Now, what time did such and such happen? Oh about 3 I think. Oh yes I seem to remember that as well. Shall we say 3 o'clock then? Ok, We'll tell the cops 3 o'clock.

Exactly.

Good point Keira and worth making twice 

[chochokeira]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

It's very easy to get your story straight if there are a number of you. Now, what time did such and such happen? Oh about 3 I think. Oh yes I seem to remember that as well. Shall we say 3 o'clock then? Ok, We'll tell the cops 3 o'clock.

Exactly.

Good point Keira and worth making twice 

Exactly. Indeed, worth making three times. 

[lebaleb]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

I have to disagree Keira - if the phone woke me up in the middle of the night the first thing I would do is look at the alarm clock and think to myself "who the bloody hell is phoning here at 3:27am"! 

And the time would then stick in my mind quite readily.

So why did Susan Battersby change her statement about the time?

[bob]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

I have to disagree Keira - if the phone woke me up in the middle of the night the first thing I would do is look at the alarm clock and think to myself "who the bloody hell is phoning here at 3:27am"! 

And the time would then stick in my mind quite readily.

So why did Susan Battersby change her statement about the time?

I don't know about that lebaleb - I'm just saying that personally, I would remember what time I was woken up by a phone ringing in the middle of the night.

[lebaleb]

I have a lot of trouble believing that Julie's flat mates could remember so accurately the time of Jeremy's call.

Me too, lebaleb. They would have been half asleep, and even if they did precisely note the time, which I doubt, my guess is they'd would have been confused about it by the morning.

I have to disagree Keira - if the phone woke me up in the middle of the night the first thing I would do is look at the alarm clock and think to myself "who the bloody hell is phoning here at 3:27am"! 

And the time would then stick in my mind quite readily.

So why did Susan Battersby change her statement about the time?

I don't know about that lebaleb - I'm just saying that personally, I would remember what time I was woken up by a phone ringing in the middle of the night.

It could also depend on how much alcohol/cannabis they had consumed that night.

[bob]

Going back to the original post, the timeline of the calls is a little odd. If JB got a call from Nevill at 3:10 and didn't call the police until 3:36, what was he doing in the intervening 26 mins? That's a long time to wait if you are worried your sister is threatening your parents with a gun