The Bible

[Jane]

The gun was also moved between photos. One pic shows the barrel further up than the other pic. The Bible appears to have been moved very slightly upwards or downwards between photos. Take a look for yourself in the photo section.

Do you believe that such movements -"very slightly upwards or downwards"- make a significant difference?

[Caroline]

The gun was also moved between photos. One pic shows the barrel further up than the other pic. The Bible appears to have been moved very slightly upwards or downwards between photos. Take a look for yourself in the photo section.

In your opinion, not in mine. I have looked at the photographs MANY times and it is simply an illusion based on a change of angle. There was no need to move the rifle.

[Caroline]

Do you believe that such movements -"very slightly upwards or downwards"- make a significant difference?

Of course not, which is why there would have been no need to move it.

[Jane]

Of course not, which is why there would have been no need to move it.

It certainly occurs to me that, when I lift something to -very infrequently!- dust, there's absolutely NO guarantee that it will be replaced withing millimetres of where it had originally been.

[Caroline]

It certainly occurs to me that, when I lift something to -very infrequently!- dust, there's absolutely NO guarantee that it will be replaced withing millimetres of where it had originally been.

Why would they move something to a tiny degree between pictures? That just makes no sense.

[Jane]

Why would they move something to a tiny degree between pictures? That just makes no sense.

And there's no explanation for such. I think we can rule out artistry, and if a cloddy boot had nudged it and it had been replaced, the blood it had been covering would have smeared.

[Kaldin]

In your opinion, not in mine. I have looked at the photographs MANY times and it is simply an illusion based on a change of angle. There was no need to move the rifle.

The rifle was definitely moved. It's several inches lower in one photo than in another. It's not an illusion.

[Kaldin]

Do you believe that such movements -"very slightly upwards or downwards"- make a significant difference?

Yes. It can mean the difference between the Bible resting on her arm and not resting on her arm.

[Caroline]

The rifle was definitely moved. It's several inches lower in one photo than in another. It's not an illusion.

Yes it is - of course if you can prove it - go ahead.

[Kaldin]

Yes it is - of course if you can prove it - go ahead.

Fine.

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[Jane]

Yes. It can mean the difference between the Bible resting on her arm and not resting on her arm.

To which part of her arm do you refer? There's quite a distance from shoulder to wrist. Balance near the shoulder would be quite difficult to achieve. It would certainly need placing carefully.

[Caroline]

Fine.

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Yeah and - note the MASSIVE change of angle.

[Kaldin]

To which part of her arm do you refer? There's quite a distance from shoulder to wrist. Balance near the shoulder would be quite difficult to achieve. It would certainly need placing carefully.

It could be because of the camera angle, but I think I can detect some slight difference.

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[Roch]

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Position is miles apart.  Clearly not an illusion.

[Kaldin]

Yeah and - note the MASSIVE change of angle.

No, that cannot be accounted for by the angle. The end of the gun is much higher up in one photo. See where it is in comparison with her necklace.