Yvonne Hartley

[Steve_uk]

I didn't just say it. I also backed my claim up (with the help of the google maps) and maths

If Jeremy walked back. That is a 1 hour and 25 minutes walk. That is assuming Jeremy is going by the average daytime walking speed on a flat surface. Once you apply Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections you are looking at a 1 hour and fifty-five minute walk from WHF back to Goldhanger. Making Sheila's TOD over 8 hours from when the photos were taken. Proving his innocence even more.

Not to mention all the time it will take Jeremy to put the silencer away, stage everything, construct his blood dam, put the coat over the mantle scratches and then climb outside to rearrange the items on the window seal before walking off.

It's 3 and a half miles between the two places as the crow flies. Jeremy knew the short cuts so I reject your time frame.

[Steve_uk]

And again and again and again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEhS9Y9HYjU

David you're not a philistine after all..

[David1819]

It's 3 and a half miles between the two places as the crow flies. Jeremy knew the short cuts so I reject your time frame.

Its a 4~ mile journey on the route that he could not be seen. The average daylight walking speed on a flat surface is 3.1 mph. When you include Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections (rough surface and night time) you have a speed around 2.1mph so you do the maths.

Besides Julie said that Jeremy said he said to her that he used a bike. Since her words are gospel truth from an angel in your perspective why does this even bother you?

[Steve_uk]

Its a 4~ mile journey on the route that he could not be seen. The average daylight walking speed on a flat surface is 3.1 mph. When you include Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections (rough surface and night time) you have a speed around 2.1mph so you do the maths.

Besides Julie said that Jeremy said he said to her that he used a bike. Since her words are gospel truth from an angel in your perspective why does this even bother you?

Her words are what Bamber reported to her and should be taken in that light. He knew the fields and farm tracks like the back of his hand, and in the darkness replete with mask had no difficulty in traversing the terrain unobserved.

[guest2181]

Its a 4~ mile journey on the route that he could not be seen. The average daylight walking speed on a flat surface is 3.1 mph. When you include Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections (rough surface and night time) you have a speed around 2.1mph so you do the maths.

Besides Julie said that Jeremy said he said to her that he used a bike. Since her words are gospel truth from an angel in your perspective why does this even bother you?

Yes maybe the bike was used.

I'm not sure that your reliance on rules and averages is sound.

I live exactly 1 mile from town. It should take me 21 minutes by your calculations, I do it in 13 minutes at a brisk walk, or when out running I do it in 5-6 minutes.

The various routes from WHF, are mostly made up of gravel farm tracks rather than rough ground. Applying somebody's mathematical equation sounds really clever, but I don't think it's particularly relevant.

[Adam]

Yes maybe the bike was used.

I'm not sure that your reliance on rules and averages is sound.

I live exactly 1 mile from town. It should take me 21 minutes by your calculations, I do it in 13 minutes at a brisk walk, or when out running I do it in 5-6 minutes.

The various routes from WHF, are mostly made up of gravel farm tracks rather than rough ground. Applying somebody's mathematical equation sounds really clever, but I don't think it's particularly relevant.

70~ minute walk by day 100~ minute walk by night.   

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If you live around there, tell us the route you believe Bamber cycled. How long it would take, the chances of him being seen & the amount of resonable cycle friendly tracks there were on route.

Thank you.

[Adam]

70~ minute walk by day 100~ minute walk by night.   

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If you live around there, tell us the route you believe Bamber cycled. How long it would take, the chances of him being seen & the amount of resonable cycle friendly tracks there were on route.

Thank you.

No answer. Which is disappointing.

However Hartley does say the routes to/from WHF are mostly gravel farm tracks. Which will be easy to cycle on. This corresponds with Trudies video where the tracks were so defined it even had a track side bench on. Bob Miller said 'no one would have seen Bamber in a month of Sundays' while RB said the route passed no dwellings.

All this contradicts posts from supporters who give the impression that Bamber would have to climb mountains, swim through swamps, cut through jungle terrain & avoid half of Essex on his bike in order to get to/from WHF at 2am. 

Anyway it would take a around 15 minutes to cycle 3 miles on empty farm tracks. Which corresponds with Julie's WS.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20101127110337AAnMPQD&ved=0ahUKEwiXpPPdlaTWAhUHUlAKHeVtBsQQFggqMAI&usg=AFQjCNEqg59US_Jli5kwR0PMkNSjOeoy9Q

[Caroline]

No answer. Which is disappointing.

However Hartley does say the routes to/from WHF are mostly gravel farm tracks. Which will be easy to cycle on. This corresponds with Trudies video where the tracks were so defined it even had a track side bench on. Bob Miller said 'no one would have seen Bamber in a month of Sundays' while RB said the route passed no dwellings.

All this contradicts posts from supporters who give the impression that Bamber would have to climb mountains, swim through swamps, cut through jungle terrain & avoid half of Essex on his bike in order to get to/from WHF at 2am. 

Anyway it would take a around 15 minutes to cycle 3 miles on empty farm tracks. Which corresponds with Julie's WS.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20101127110337AAnMPQD&ved=0ahUKEwiXpPPdlaTWAhUHUlAKHeVtBsQQFggqMAI&usg=AFQjCNEqg59US_Jli5kwR0PMkNSjOeoy9Q

The road to WHF be treacherous 

[Adam]

Come to think of it, didn't nocturnal lions & tigers roam the Essex fields between WHF & Bamber's cottage ?

[Jane]

Goblins live in the mud.

[Adam]

Maybe someone really did hide in the WHF loft & Bamber really was at home sleeping 'like a log'.

Surely no one dares enter the Essex farm land after 10pm.

[David1819]

Goblins live in the mud.

Come to think of it, didn't nocturnal lions & tigers roam the Essex fields between WHF & Bamber's cottage ?

The road to WHF be treacherous 

 

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[guest2181]

This image shows some of the tracks and private roads across the fields.
Who knows which route he took, if any.

[Adam]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pinterest.com/amp/pin/135671007498750093/

Lets not forget this fellow who goes owl poaching after 10pm in Essex. But I'm sure he would prefer to get his teeth into a handsome young man.

[Adam]

This image shows some of the tracks and private roads across the fields.
Who knows which route he took, if any.

It seems RB was right. The route passes no dwellings. Sorry Nugs.

Anyway it seems Bamber had loads of route options. Obviously he would take one which passed no dwellings & which he could cycle.