Yvonne Hartley

[Caroline]

It's not what they are claiming at all is it? 

[guest2181]

It's not what they are claiming at all is it? 

Nope.

[gringo]

  Thanks Hartley. Do you know if this is the information referred to in the video? Do you know when  this statement became available and did it come to light in the Stokenchurch enquiry? 

[guest2181]

  Thanks Hartley. Do you know if this is the information referred to in the video? Do you know when  this statement became available and did it come to light in the Stokenchurch enquiry?

I'm not sure Gringo, I don't watch the videos.

I originally posted this in 2011, in this thread:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1211.0.html

[Reader]

Clearly, it isn't. The video refers to the Stokenchurch enquiry and several references to a 999 call. However, it would be necessary to see the relevant document(s) to judge whether these are significant or worded slightly differently from what was suggested.

The "in conversation" quote refers to the log entry "0525 - Firearms team are in conversation with a person from inside the farm." The next entry seems to be "29 fm CA7 - Challange to persons inside house met with no response." If the conversation was with Jeremy, the wording "a person" seems quite strange. Also, where's any confirmation that any member of the firearms team was talking to Jeremy at 05:25? If the log continues, we don't seem to have seen the continuation.

[guest2181]

Clearly, it isn't. The video refers to the Stokenchurch enquiry and several references to a 999 call. However, it would be necessary to see the relevant document(s) to judge whether these are significant or worded slightly differently from what was suggested.

The "in conversation" quote refers to the log entry "0525 - Firearms team are in conversation with a person from inside the farm." The next entry seems to be "29 fm CA7 - Challange to persons inside house met with no response." If the conversation was with Jeremy, the wording "a person" seems quite strange. Also, where's any confirmation that any member of the firearms team was talking to Jeremy at 05:25? If the log continues, we don't seem to have seen the continuation.

Is this not it below:

I think the use of the word 'conversation' is simply erroneous. They are are referring to loud speaker challenges to the house only, it has nothing to do with JB.

[Reader]

Maybe, but that page is written on a proper Wireless Message Log form, and the handwriting, even if it matches (which I haven't checked),  has changed from something of a scrawl to be much neater.

[guest2181]

Maybe, but that page is written on a proper Wireless Message Log form, and the handwriting, even if it matches (which I haven't checked),  has changed from something of a scrawl to be much neater.

Yeah, that's probably from the other log.

[Adam]

Surely this is not the document being used to claim a 999 call was made by Sheila.

I know Yvonne Hartley is very passionate but making up evidence never has & never will work. Unless it's part of an industrial frame.

[David1819]

I know Yvonne Hartley is very passionate but making up evidence never has & never will work.

Think you need to start taking your own advice Adam. 

[Adam]

Think you need to start taking your own advice Adam. 

Perfectly clean hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

No better massacre weapon options - Not disputed - FORUM.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

Items around the kitchen window being moved after housekeeper had left - Not disputed - WILKES'S BOOK.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

June not waking/getting shot in bed - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.

June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.

The found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

[Adam]

Hopefully David will supply the new developments on the aga scratches today. They were first due two days ago.

The 'forensic evidence breakthrough', Bamber's 6 letters, the 5th Sheila scenario & the 3D re construction of the kitchen fight are all dead ducks & won't be supplied.

[Adam]

Of course 54 pieces of forensic evidence could have been made up by the police, experts, professors etc. As part of the industrial frame.

I wouldn't know. However it's all published evidence.

[Jane]

Not having watched the video,I'd have thought that police would first have handed the loudhailer to Jeremy for him to speak to his sister,as happens when there's a siege situation. That would have clinched the whole case.

The thing that makes me believe that Sheila was alive,are the notes she wrote about " police being there ",which was a pre-emptive move on her part.

NOT a wise move, as, according to him, he didn't like her and she didn't like him.

[Jane]

So Inspector D Burrell didn't actually HEAR a dog barking on line. He simply received a report of a dog barking? It also appears that claims are erroneous of a 999 call being made from inside WHF.