Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?

[mike tesko]

That's impossible, as there must have been a time when you were too young to know what the words "clouds" and "firmament" mean. What I believe now, is reality... Aeroplanes have flown through clouds at a much lower altitude than 53 miles. yes, as I alluded to in my opinion, the highest clouds have been recorded as high in altitude as being 53 miles up from, or above the surface of the earth..   At least one type of cloud has been estimated to exist at an altitude of about 53 miles, those are the highest recorded clouds in altitude above the surface of the flat earth... but most clouds in Earth's atmosphere are at much lower altitudes. I have never suggested otherwise!!

[mike tesko]

You're trying to quibble over semantics. What, and you don't?You haven't provided a static flat earth model that works anything like as well as a rotating round earth model. But, that's just it, nothing works as well as your making out in the globe module, but it does in relation to the earth being flat (excluding semantics)..Also, some of your assertions are blatantly untrue. No, there not, I am telling the truth, whereas you are being fooled into believing something that is without doubt untrue - the earth is not a globe, because its flat (excluding any semantics you or anybody else might try to introduce to cast doubt upon that fact)...For example, a full moon and the sun cannot be seen in the same part of the sky simultaneously, whereas you asserted that such a sighting can occur for all phases of the moon. It can...
No. I hadn't noticed any such challenge anyway. I doubt that a statement such as "the size of the earth is A" would challenge anyone's belief of anything. 'A' is just a value of size...
So how do you know what shape the moon has? it's flat like the earth...

[mike tesko]

That's completely untrue. I've made no such allegation.
In that case, it's untrue that it was once formless and void. Its always been flat since the tine of its creation...Are you seriously suggesting that you are some kind of oracle that somehow knows its indefinite future? about its histrorical past...
That's so ungrammatical that I have no idea what you mean. a typing error generated by the predictive text software
How does anyone do a scientific analysis of the assertion that the size of the earth is A? I'm not a scientist or a surveyor anyway. formula...
Using "humongous" like that might be for dramatic effect. On the other hand it might be underestimated...Perhaps you're trying to write a script or book rather than communicate well. Perhaps trying to communicate with anybody who have bought into the indoctrinated untruths fed to them by the powers that be, is a big lie which blocks an understandding on the part of the targeted listener...How can the earth be 100% flat? Excluding semantics, you know what I meant when I said that / this..Are you asserting that hills and valleys don't exist? You have just contradicted your claim that the earth is a globe, because if hills and mountains and valleys exist it can't be a globe... Anyway, I was using "globe" or "round" to refer to a model. I suppose your model doesn'tinclude hills and mountains and valleys? It hardly matters at all whether that model is "true" according to some individual. I disagree, of course it matters if the earths model is a true reflection of its size, orientation and shape...All that counts is whether the model's usefulness justifies its retention. Your use of the term 'usefulness' ignores whether or not, such 'usefulness' is dishonest, or otherwise, as implemented by the powers that be, the people who control the masses with lie upon lie...

[Reader]

In reply to "a full moon and the sun cannot be seen in the same part of the sky simultaneously" . . .

It can...

For an observer in England, what is the date and time of the next occasion when such an observation can be made? What was the time, date and location for some previous occasion within the last 32 years when such an observation was made?

I asked how you know what shape the moon has, and you replied "It's flat like the earth"... that doesn't answer my question. I wasn't asking you to state the moon's shape, I was asking how you know the moon's shape.

[Reader]

What I believe now, is reality...

But "reality" can change over time. You previously stated "I have always maintained..." which is impossible, as I explained.

[Caroline]

They didn't see any wall.

http://www.itv.com/news/border/2018-01-11/cumbrian-adventurer-completes-antarctic-expedition/

[Reader]

It's always been flat since the tine of its creation

That's quite different from what you stated - you've added "since the time of its creation" and dropped "and always will be".

a typing error generated by the predictive text software

What did you intend to type?

formula...

I don't understand that reply.

I suppose your model doesn't include hills and mountains and valleys?

That's right, and that's why I keep using words such as "about" or "approximately", and avoid using "100%".

I disagree, of course it matters if the earth's model is a true reflection of its size, orientation and shape.

No, it doesn't, and much the same applies to almost all the models that scientists create. That's why they're called models.

Your use of the term 'usefulness' ignores whether or not, such 'usefulness' is dishonest, or otherwise, . . .

Of course. That's almost always the case, regardless of what the model is.

[mike tesko]

But "reality" can change over time. You previously stated "I have always maintained..." which is impossible, as I explained.

You know full well what I meant, 'I have always maintained', meaning in my posts on the subject!

[mike tesko]

What did you intend to type?
I don't understand that reply.
That's right, and that's why I keep using words such as "about" or "approximately", and avoid using "100%".
No, it doesn't, and much the same applies to almost all the models that scientists create. That's why they're called models.
Of course. That's almost always the case, regardless of what the model is.

The earth is flat it can't be a globe, it's a humongous lie, imposed upon the masses by the powers that be, because they don't want the general public to know what really goes on in that part of the flat earth known as the south pole! It's as though those in charge are trying to keep something godlike from everyone, something they want to keep to themselves, and the public at peril of arrest, or death, if they go to the south pole uninvited!

[mike tesko]

They didn't see any wall.

http://www.itv.com/news/border/2018-01-11/cumbrian-adventurer-completes-antarctic-expedition/

Must have been to wrong part of Antarctica..

[mike tesko]

Full moons have been photographed in daytime sky, with the sun above the horizon:-

[mike tesko]

Watch following video for insight:-

(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0

[Caroline]

Must have been to wrong part of Antarctica..

Which part is the right part?

[Caroline]

Full moons have been photographed in daytime sky, with the sun above the horizon:-

And? https://www.space.com/7267-moon-daylight.html

[mike tesko]

Which part is the right part?

You need to watch the link to have any chance of understanding which part of Antarctica is where the ice walls are located, situated, to be found...

(1) - https://youtu.be/KcxraxCQCd0