Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?

[Caroline]

Admiral Byrd took just under 5000 personnel and warships, aeroplanes and other hardware on his last expedition to the south pole, but they retreated rather hastily as a result of a confrontation, lives were lost, hardware and equipment destroyed, with no reported casualties on the other side - who or what were Byrd and his armada fleeing from?

You have posted no proof of what you are saying - I wonder why? THey weren't fleeing from anyone and what casualties?

This is an account of that expedition and I have already posted the interview it refers to. I am sure you will just dismiss it and keep posting the same unfounded nonsense.

Operation Highjump (1946–1947)
Admiral Byrd during Operation Deep Freeze I (Dec. 1955)
In 1946, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal appointed Byrd as officer in charge of Antarctic Developments Project. Byrd's fourth Antarctic expedition was codenamed Operation Highjump.[2] It was the largest Antarctic expedition to date and was expected to last six to eight months.

The expedition was supported by a large naval force (designated Task Force 68), commanded by Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen. There were thirteen US Navy support ships (besides the flagship USS Mount Olympus and the aircraft carrier USS Philippine Sea), six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders, and fifteen other aircraft. The total number of personnel involved was over 4,000.

The armada arrived in the Ross Sea on December 31, 1946, and made aerial explorations of an area half the size of the United States, recording ten new mountain ranges. The major area covered was the eastern coastline of Antarctica from 150 degrees east to the Greenwich meridian.

Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expeditions command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:

"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety.

[mike tesko]

Are you suggesting that all members of the armed forces are murderers?

Yeah, they sign up to kill other people, so yes..

[mike tesko]

You have posted no proof of what you are saying - I wonder why? THey weren't fleeing from anyone and what casualties? Don't concern yourself with what proof I have got, and for your information I already viewed the interview you have posted, I'm not on about this interview, I'm on about another one which tells a different story about what happened

This is an account of that expedition and I have already posted the interview it refers to. I am sure you will just dismiss it and keep posting the same unfounded nonsense. The only person talking nonsense here and now is you, because you are taking a stance without having sight of the interview I was referring to? You don't know half as much as your trying to make out! Byrd's fleet fled the region of the South Pole as I've described, there's even video footage of that fact available!

Operation Highjump (1946–1947)
Admiral Byrd during Operation Deep Freeze I (Dec. 1955)
In 1946, Secretary of the Navy James Forrestal appointed Byrd as officer in charge of Antarctic Developments Project. Byrd's fourth Antarctic expedition was codenamed Operation Highjump.[2] It was the largest Antarctic expedition to date and was expected to last six to eight months.

The expedition was supported by a large naval force (designated Task Force 68), commanded by Rear Admiral Richard H. Cruzen. There were thirteen US Navy support ships (besides the flagship USS Mount Olympus and the aircraft carrier USS Philippine Sea), six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders, and fifteen other aircraft. The total number of personnel involved was over 4,000.

The armada arrived in the Ross Sea on December 31, 1946, and made aerial explorations of an area half the size of the United States, recording ten new mountain ranges. The major area covered was the eastern coastline of Antarctica from 150 degrees east to the Greenwich meridian.

Admiral Byrd was interviewed by Lee van Atta of International News Service aboard the expeditions command ship USS Mount Olympus, in which he discussed the lessons learned from the operation. The interview appeared in the Wednesday, March 5, 1947 edition of the Chilean newspaper El Mercurio, and read in part as follows:

"Admiral Richard E. Byrd warned today that the United States should adopt measures of protection against the possibility of an invasion of the country by hostile planes coming from the polar regions. The admiral explained that he was not trying to scare anyone, but the cruel reality is that in case of a new war, the United States could be attacked by planes flying over one or both poles. This statement was made as part of a recapitulation of his own polar experience, in an exclusive interview with International News Service. Talking about the recently completed expedition, Byrd said that the most important result of his observations and discoveries is the potential effect that they have in relation to the security of the United States. The fantastic speed with which the world is shrinking – recalled the admiral – is one of the most important lessons learned during his recent Antarctic exploration. I have to warn my compatriots that the time has ended when we were able to take refuge in our isolation and rely on the certainty that the distances, the oceans, and the poles were a guarantee of safety.

[buddy]

Yeah, they sign up to kill other people, so yes..

You are so wrong on many points Mike. Most including me signed up to defend our democracy.
It is alarming that people like you think this way when you consider the fate of many folk were put to death by the Nazi's, and this country alone at the time stood up to Hitler.
I am proud of my time in the military, and would do if all again. My schoolboy friend was shot and killed
in Aden. His mother was devastated and never got over it. She told me she wanted to die so she could be with her son again. She died four years later at 47 and I hope she got her wish.
You need to rethink your views Mike, as it is an insult to our brave troops.

[Reader]

No, it doesn't, it's dealing with an 'invisible Shield' in the earth's firmament, what I refer to as the inner edge of it

Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.

While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, he believes there is more to the story. “I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time,” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department.

[Reader]

What I am telling you is the truth, I have no reason to lie about anything such as this.

It's not exactly lying... you say you came to believe what you posted after a period of thinking about it, so you changed your mind over a period of time. After some further thought, you might change your mind again. In the meanwhile, giving deliberately unhelpful answers that say things along the lines of "I could provide links, but I won't do that yet" or "it's size is A" is only marginally better than telling lies. You're mostly giving your opinions, which is quite different from giving "the truth".

What you post frequently sounds very implausible for easily noticed reasons. For example, why call an invisible body "the dark sun" rather than "the dark object" or "the dark body" when there's absolutely nothing to indicate that it's a sun?

[Caroline]

The only person talking nonsense here and now is you, because you are taking a stance without having sight of the interview I was referring to? You don't know half as much as your trying to make out! Byrd's fleet fled the region of the South Pole as I've described, there's even video footage of that fact available!

I would bet that the interview is never posted, but you will continue to use the 'notion' of it's existence as proof for your claims. Such claims are empty without proof. I am not concerned with what proof you have because I don't believe you have any.

[mike tesko]

I would bet that the interview is never posted, but you will continue to use the 'notion' of it's existence as proof for your claims. Such claims are empty without proof. I am not concerned with what proof you have because I don't believe you have any. The earth is flat with a domed firmament, and that is all you need to be told at the moment. You wouldn't be able to handle the full truth because to do so you would have to admit that you've been had over by the powers that be, and you can't handle being had over by anyone, in my opinion...

You've made it clear that you don't believe anything anybody says that contradicts your own beliefs, even though you can't prove what you believe yourself!

[mike tesko]

It's not exactly lying... you say you came to believe what you posted after a period of thinking about it, so you changed your mind over a period of time. After some further thought, you might change your mind again. I doubt it, I have looked at everything and there is absolutely no room for the earth being a globe! Its flat with a domed firmamment... In the meanwhile, giving deliberately unhelpful answers that say things along the lines of "I could provide links, but I won't do that yet" or "it's size is A" is only marginally better than telling lies. I await your views and when the time is right I will post the links...You're mostly giving your opinions, Everything anybody says is usually their opinion of something or other, but when I choose to do it you make false claims that it can't be true witout any evidence to prove that what I am saying is untrue, or deliberately misleading...which is quite different from giving "the truth". That's a matter of opinion

What you post frequently sounds very implausible No, it doesn't it is factual and proven!for easily noticed reasons. That's just your opinion, you have no evidence to support that which you are suggesting, and its obvious that you know nothing about the major event that took place at the South pole... For example, why call an invisible body "the dark sun" Because thats what its called, its called the 'dark sun' because it generates no heat or light, its purpose appears to be connected with the relationship between the sun and the moon, as it circulates above the earth in the earths firmament! The only time we see the 'dark sun' is when it blocks off direct sunlight from the sun upon the flat surface of the moon, as when the phases of the moon are prevalent...rather than "the dark object" its correct name is the 'dark sun', I have not made any of that up...or "the dark body" (or even the dark knight) when there's absolutely nothing to indicate that it's a sun? Other than its orbit is tied in with the orbit of the sun above the earth in the earths firmament, and its similar in size to both the sun and the moon...

[mike tesko]

Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.

While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, he believes there is more to the story. “I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time,” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department.

I think Baker was a freemason wasn't he?

[Caroline]

You've made it clear that you don't believe anything anybody says that contradicts your own beliefs, even though you can't prove what you believe yourself!

I posted a video of Admiral Byrd (which is more than you did!) talking about his expedition and he mentions NONE of what you posted. I'm not sure what you REALLY believe, I think you just like being provocative.

[mike tesko]

Yes, it does. A bit further on in the article, one finds the following paragraph.

While Baker said plasmaspheric hiss may play a role in the puzzling space barrier, Puzzling because one of its features is that it appears to be invisible and made out some sort of electrosplasmic material he believes there is more to the story. In his opinion...“I think the key here is to keep observing the region in exquisite detail, Without saying exactly how observations were going to have to be made to keep observing the region in exquisite detail... which we can do because of the powerful instruments on the Van Allen probes. Without saying much about the probes in question, which in any event would malfunction and break down due to the constant mass of radiation. I have already posted up a link showing how a military balloon crashed against the inner lining of the  invisible sheild and exploded and reurned to earth! If the sheild can do that to a military balloon what chance or prospect of say a drone type satellite getting beyond the same point in the sky, which we know because of scientific tests which have been conducted thaat thiis invisible sheild exists about 73 miles in altitude above the surface of the earth.. If the sun really blasts the Earth’s magnetosphere with a coronal mass ejection (CME), I suspect it will breach the shield for a period of time, The key point here is which side of the shield will the sun breach the sheild for a period of time? Paving the way for the sun to operate much closer to the earth at a minimum distance of around 53 miles but presumely on Bakers own opinion, the sun may operate beyond the 73 mile invisible sheild, and beyond, or what ever...” said Baker, also a faculty member in the astrophysical and planetary sciences department. Notice how Baker talks in expert jargon, rather than basic American English, or English and he fails to explain exactly what he means when he speaks about the sun breaching the sheild for a peeriod of time?

[Reader]

I think Baker was a freemason wasn't he?

I don't know whether he was. I notice you didn't dispute that the article refers to the use of data from the Van Allen probes.

[mike tesko]

I posted a video of Admiral Byrd (which is more than you did!) talking about his expedition and he mentions NONE of what you posted. I'm not sure what you REALLY believe, I think you just like being provocative.

You really have no idea what the expeditions to the south pole were really all about, do you?

When you findd out the truth it might suddenly dawn upon you why the admirals fleet made a very hasty retreat from the south pole....

[mike tesko]

I don't know whether he was. I notice you didn't dispute that the article refers to the use of data from the Van Allen probes. I know precisely which probes he was referring to, (military balloons) which scraoped against the inner edge of the earths dome  (which appears to be made out of some kind of translucent material according to scientific tests that were done) and then exploded and were sent crashing back down to terra firma! Nothing can apparently penetrate the dome, and I mean nothing at all; least of all imaginary satellites, and space ships god forbid (ha, ha, ha, if only you knew the absolute truth)