Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?

[Caroline]

Yippee Caroline we agree again.
Are you coming to my way of thinking, or am I coming to yours?

Hee hee - perhaps we'll just meet in the middle? 

[Reader]

The earth is not a globe...

Many people have travelled round it and confirmed that it is.

. . . they do travel around the 'north star' but because they orbit on different planes, or orbit in retrograde motion they appear to wander...

Employing vague or different terms, such as "orbit" instead of "rotate", "on different planes", which is undefined, and "orbit in retrograde motion", which is also undefined, doesn't alter the fact that the planets move in a way that's very different from the apparent movement of the stars and isn't accounted for in detail by the model you favour, but is accounted for in a model that has the earth and other planets in approximately elliptical paths round the sun.

Everything rotates around the region of the 'north star', and this could not happen if the earth was a globe and rotating on its own axis at around 1000 mph

You've provided no detailed evidence to support that assertion. You've provided no detailed evidence to support any of your assertions. Why isn't the "dark sun" frequently noticed due to it blocking our view of some of the stars?

[mike tesko]

I think you are confusing physics with cake!

Your powers of reasoning are very limited - hence why you try to make fun of someone telling the truth1

[mike tesko]

It's hard to believe that this thread has had such longevity, It is total cobblers.
It's ROUND get over it.

No, it's not...

[mike tesko]

The only flat issue here, is the effect it's had on the forum. most members seem to have given up 

Oh, here we go...

Listen, the earth is flat, there's 'absolutely no doubt' whatsoever about that fact! A flat earth where up is up, down is down, to the right is to the right, and to the left us to the left! No need for anybody to be the right way up, the wrong way up, sideways on this way, or sideways in that way, it raining down , it raining up, it raining sideways this way, or sideways that way, no possibility of an aeroplane flying the right way up, it flying upside down, it flying sideways on this way, or sideways on that way, the globe earth module is debunked, it's absolute nonsense!

[Reader]

Imagine the confusion which would arise if this were all true?

Okay, I'm imagining it.

Now, how ridiculous would that be?

Nothing like as ridiculous as your assertions about the dark sun. What's your explanation of satellite navigation or satellite television if there are no artificial satellites?

In the flat earth model, using a grid as a guide to what is deemed to be 'north', 'east', 'south' and 'west', no such complications or anomalies occur or happen!

In that case, provide the fine details of that model. What's blocking my view of the sun while it's seen to be high in the sky by someone in, say, Australia?

[mike tesko]

Many people have travelled round it and confirmed that it is. No, they haven't, they been rotating above the flat earth and the general position of the 'north star'!
Employing vague or different terms, such as "orbit" instead of "rotate", "on different planes", which is undefined, and "orbit in retrograde motion", which is also undefined, doesn't alter the fact that the planets move in a way that's very different from the apparent movement of the stars and isn't accounted for in detail by the model you favour, It can be...but is accounted for in a model that has the earth and other planets in approximately elliptical paths round the sun. that is what you have been told, you can't prove it by any calculations you have done by yourself - you refer to 'their' indoctrinated explanation!
You've provided no detailed evidence to support that assertion. I have, and I can - you do not decide what is evidence or not in my account of the truth! I can think for myself and I can talk for myself, whereas you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the powers that be!You've provided no detailed evidence to support any of your assertions. Oh, yes I have, it's not my fault that you can't recognise that evidence!Why isn't the "dark sun" frequently noticed due to it blocking our view of some of the stars? Maybe it's because the powers that be have never intended for those of you to know the truth about? How do you know such tests would produce results favouring what you allege? Be careful what you say because if such a study were undertaken it might serve to prove that which you assert cannot and does not happen!

Obviously, you have done your own study of this phenomena, so please post up a link so that I can review the data, and conclusions!

[mike tesko]

Okay, I'm imagining it. that's just the point, you wouldn't accept what that proposition would be!
Nothing like as ridiculous as your assertions about the dark sun. Are you being serious? You only have to see the moon up in the sky along with the sun! Please explain to me how the earth can be blocking sunlight shone toward the moon, when the sun and the moon are in the same general part of the sky in daylight? Now it's inadequate to try and suggest that the sun only lights up parts of the moon at a 180° angle, or whatever, because using trigonometry someone on the surface of the earth would see it from a different angle, and as such the moon should be illuminated likewise! What's your explanation of satellite navigation or satellite television if there are no artificial satellites? I am pleased you have asked these questions, since I do know quite a lot about this! But, no doubt you will try to ridicule what I can and do say about this. Rest assured that there are no satellites, it's a massive deception, the psyhoning of public monies being at the heart of the matter by the powers that be! In that case, provide the fine details of that model. I will when I'm ready!What's blocking my view of the sun while it's seen to be high in the sky by someone in, say, Australia? a person's perception - is limited by the total distance of sight a human being can see, and recognise! Once the point of invisibility is reached at the distant arising, explain how it could be possible for the human eye to suddenly be able to distinguish in that sighting a different horizon where night becomes day, or day becomes night, or any variation of these? The furthest a person can see is down to the very last pixel in their path of vision, how can it be possible for a person to acquire extra pixels to allow them to see beyond the last pixel on the event horizon that they are engaged with?
Unless this is done by use of binoculars, or telescope? There is one way of proving this to be true but I doubt you or anybody in favour of the earth is a globe module would encourage it's investigating!!

[mike tesko]

I propose the following expedition should be undertaken with a view to confirming that the earth is flat!

[Reader]

No, they haven't

You've provided no evidence for that assertion.

It can be.

Then provide the details, including the sizes of the sun, moon, and earth, etc.

I have, and I can

You haven't provided any basic numerical details, such as the sizes of the sun moon and earth.

Oh, yes I have, it's not my fault that you can't recognise that evidence!

You've provided no numerical details related to your static, flat earth model. You've used descriptions along the lines of "much smaller than you've been told", but not provided any numbers, not even the size of the earth.

[mike tesko]

You've provided no evidence for that assertion. They fly around the flat earth, not around a globe of the earth... Then provide the details, including the sizes of the sun, moon, and earth, etc. I can assert that the size of the sun has a value of 'A', that the size of the moon has a value of 'B', and that the size of the earth has a value of 'C'... You haven't provided any basic numerical details, such as the sizes of the sun moon and earth. 'A', 'B', and 'C'.. You've provided no numerical details related to your static, flat earth model. I have just given them to you!You've used descriptions along the lines of "much smaller than you've been told", but not provided any numbers, not even the size of the earth. As I say, I have now provided the values for your attention!

[mike tesko]

The highest point above sea level is the peak of mount Everest - I assert that a person standing at the top of mount Everest, armed with the most powerful binoculars and telescope ever manufactured would be able to see the furthest parts of the flat earth, east to west, north to south!

[Caroline]

Your powers of reasoning are very limited - hence why you try to make fun of someone telling the truth1

As with most things, I will consider the source but given the title of this thread and YOUR reasoning in it, I think your comment is pretty rich.

[Caroline]

Oh, here we go...

Listen, the earth is flat, there's 'absolutely no doubt' whatsoever about that fact! A flat earth where up is up, down is down, to the right is to the right, and to the left us to the left! No need for anybody to be the right way up, the wrong way up, sideways on this way, or sideways in that way, it raining down , it raining up, it raining sideways this way, or sideways that way, no possibility of an aeroplane flying the right way up, it flying upside down, it flying sideways on this way, or sideways on that way, the globe earth module is debunked, it's absolute nonsense!

It certainly is!

[mike tesko]

As with most things, I will consider the source but given the title of this thread and YOUR reasoning in it, I think your comment is pretty rich.

you are brainwashed and indoctrinated, trying to make fun of something so serious beggars belief! You only know what the powers that be want you to know and believe! The earth is flat, it's total nonsense that it is a globe! You wouldn't recognise the truth if it hit you in the face! Hey, but that's your choice!