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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #225 on: January 23, 2018, 09:37:PM »
That doesn't make sense at all. Yes, it does, its just that you don't want to believe it to be true - the earth does not rotate around the sun so many millions of miles away, and the sun is not so huge in size and shape! How can the earth travel such vast distances around a sun module so very far away, and do it every 24 hrs? I should think that the earth would have to be orbititting at humongous speeds to achieve that feat! Are you being serious? So, the earth is not only spinning at around 1000 MPH on its own axis, its thiundering through the universe on a dialy basis at hundreds of thousands of miles per hour? WHAT????If the sun were high in the sky above a flat earth, it would light up all of the flat side of the earth at the same time. No it would not, and no it doesn't, it lights up the part of the flat earth above which is positioned at any one time with leakage afore its position, and in its wake...
That's unsupported - you couldn't tell me the sizes of the sun, moon and earth when I asked recently. Ok, where did you get your si
zes from, for the earth, the sun, the moon and the planets and the stars?See, I could do exactly what you have done if I had wanted to, posting up measurements and dimensions of the sun, the moon, the earth, and the planets and the stars etc, but what's the point? Photographs and video footage exist that have been taken from earth which shows clouds in front of and behind the full moon in the sky! The size of the sun is comparible to the size of the moon when it is in the same part of the sky! I dion't need no bullshit powers that be to tell me how to think and how to work things out! They are liars, and make a good living out of being liars!
There's no evidence that the sun and moon are roughly equidistant from earth. So, you've checked it yourself have you? Oh, alright then...
That's untrue. Since when does "somewhat elliptical" include "retrograde motion"? What a question, its double edged. Ttrying to confuse yourself will not  alter the fact that we live on a flat earth, whether you like it or not, or agree with it...
There's no evidence to support that, What exactly are you referring to here? If I knew I would try to anser it!and it doesn't make sense in a flat earth model. Your making no sense, what doesn't make any sense in a flat earth module? I am not a mind reader, if you ask me a question I might be able to anser it properly but I can't secondd guess what your on about!
Then why did you earlier state "the sun rotates in or around the firmament"? There are different levels of the earths fimanent, I was referring to the sunn being higher up than another plane in the firmament..When did you change your mind from "in or around" to "above" Rather than suggest that I am somehow being misleading why didn't you ask me to clarify what I was talking about, rathher than try to make out that I don't know what I am talking abouyt? Since, I do know what I am talking about!!!and on what grounds? A matter of interpretation which you have not sought to clarify properly...If the sun is above, it's further from the earth than the moon, Well, it might be slightly larger, I can't tell you the exact sizes because hey guess what 'I ain't been up there with a tape measure!and would look smaller than the moon from earth (or the sun and moon don't have roughly the same physical diameter). Yeah, I can buy into that, I agree with you...
No photographs from high altitude aircraft either? Showing what?)When did you start to think that the earth is flat? I started taking a personal interest during my incarceration mid 1980's onward, when I had lots of free time to study and contemplate...
You're contradicting yourself, Your confusing yourself saying that I'm confusing myself - I am not contradicting myself, I am telling it as it is and your trying to twist my words and meanings..as you earlier stated "I don't believe there are any satellites". There aren't any, and your point is?
The ISS has been photographed crossing over the face of the moon. It's fake... You can see some of the results on youtube. Yeah, and tou can see loads of things on You Tube contradicting the earth is a globe module, and that the USA did not land on the moon, and about the true size of the sun, the moon, and everything! It has also been recorded crossing the face of the sun, which was necessarily during daylight hours, of course. It's already been debunked as fake, the USA did not go to the moon, there are no satelites, and nobody or anything got through the radioactive van allen belt, its all bunkem...
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #226 on: January 23, 2018, 09:42:PM »
Faked, the so called New World order involves the Russians, doesn't it?

Hey, what about the UK?

Them too...

The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!

Behold

https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #227 on: January 23, 2018, 09:44:PM »
The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!

Behold

https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc

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At least one word missing?  8)
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #228 on: January 23, 2018, 09:50:PM »
The new world order also wants you believe Hitler was evil!

Behold

https://youtu.be/8Aes93qWowc

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You are having your fun at the moment, but I will bide my time and let you hang yourself, then I will post all the evidence to hang you! Keep it coming, the more you provide the further you are going to fall!
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #229 on: January 23, 2018, 09:57:PM »
Fake photograph...
Hmmm. Is the picture below also fake?

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #230 on: January 23, 2018, 10:03:PM »
So, the earth is a globe, and depending upon whereabouts you might be on the surface of the earth, you might be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or sideways on that way! Not only that / this, but it rains down, it rains up, it rains sideways on this way, or sideways on that way! Birds fly the right way up, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on this way, and they fly sideways on that way! Insects creep about on the earth the right way up, upside down this way, and side ways on that way! Motor vehicles drive the right way up on its four wheels, they drive upside down on their four wheels, they drive sideways on, on their four wheels this way, andd sideways on, on their four wheels that way! Aeroplanes fly the right way up with their passengers sitting the right way up, they fly upside down, they fly sideways on this way, and they fly sideways on that way! And, Boats float on the water the right way up, they float on the water upside down, they float on the water sideways on this way, and they float sideways on that way!

Now, depending on the perspective of other people on the same globe earth module in other locations aroun d the earth, a person, a bird, and insect, a motor vehicle, an aeroplane, and a boat could be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or and sideways on that way, at one and the same time!
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #231 on: January 23, 2018, 10:07:PM »
You are having your fun at the moment, but I will bide my time and let you hang yourself, then I will post all the evidence to hang you! Keep it coming, the more you providde the further you are going to fall!

The holocaust never happened Mike. Its NWO propaganda

Experts have inspected the alleged death camps and concluded so....

https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #232 on: January 23, 2018, 10:08:PM »
Hmmm. Is the picture below also fake?

Yep!

Taken with a lense to actentuate the falt earth as though it is curved - a technique easily adopted as all professsional photographers will attest to...
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #233 on: January 23, 2018, 10:12:PM »
The holocaust never happened Mike. Its NWO propaganda

Experts have inspected the alleged death camps and concluded so....

https://youtu.be/q4ruXSmeTcg?t=5m16s

It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #234 on: January 23, 2018, 10:14:PM »
It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...

The victors write history (the deception)...
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #235 on: January 23, 2018, 10:16:PM »
It did, but there were other atrocities involving the British and the Americans, not publicised...

Then how do you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #236 on: January 23, 2018, 10:32:PM »
Then how do you explain this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQwfU-C_bc

The victims were executed by other means - probably shot, or drugged!

I have distant relatives who lost their lives during the holocaust, I have no doubt that they were shot to death, rather than have been gassed, as claimed, or disproved...
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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #237 on: January 24, 2018, 12:31:AM »
How can the earth travel such vast distances around a sun module so very far away, and do it every 24 hrs?
You're trying to change the subject. I haven't suggested that the earth zips round the sun in 24 hours. You haven't been able to show any physical flat earth model that works, because nobody has constructed one.

. . . it lights up the part of the flat earth above which is positioned at any one time . . .
What blocks it from being seen at the same time from the rest of the flat earth?

I could do exactly what you have done if I had wanted to, posting up measurements and dimensions of the sun, the moon, the earth, and the planets and the stars etc, but what's the point?
The point is that nobody has ever done that for a flat earth model, not with dimensions that account for the moon's phases and various other easily observed phenomena.

Photographs and video footage exist that have been taken from earth which shows clouds in front of and behind the full moon in the sky!
Videos and photographs don't show distance. There's no way to tell from them whether a cloud is behind the moon or in front but unseen (due to the moon's brightness).

The size of the sun is comparable to the size of the moon when it is in the same part of the sky!
Previously, you referred to the same size, but now it's "comparable to". But those are apparent sizes. The moon looks just a few inches across when I try to measure it with a ruler.

I don't need no bullshit powers that be to tell me how to think and how to work things out!
Then make a simple flat earth physical model - use a light bulb instead of the sun and demonstrate how it can illuminate only a small part of the flat earth.

They are liars, and make a good living out of being liars!
Yet your ideas are "true" despite the fact that you can't provide any evidence for many of your ideas. You seem to have become convinced by the appearance of some clouds seen from a considerable distance and are then happy to assert things exist for which there is no direct evidence at all, such as a "dark sun" and the moon's cratered appearance being just a projected image of the underside of the earth.

So, you've checked it yourself have you?
Yes, I've checked predictions of eclipses, for example.

What a question, its double edged.
It's observable by anyone that the planets appear to move in relation to the stars in a way that's consistent with the theory that they are in orbit round the sun. The theories of flat-earthers can be maintained only by dismissing as lies all the evidence that conflicts with them. It's easy to counter anything you can't explain with "it's fake" or "it's all lies". Also, your theories have never been stated in detail, and have never been tested experimentally.

Trying to confuse yourself will not alter the fact that we live on a flat earth, whether you like it or not, or agree with it...
You're trying to change the subject. There's nothing to suggest that I'm trying to confuse myself. Asserting that something is a fact doesn't make it a fact. You've not provided any detailed evidence. When you come across an idea put forward by a flat-earther, how do you know whether it's valid or just invented without there being any evidence at all to support it? You stated you believe that no (artificial) satellites exist, so what is the object known as the ISS, if not a satellite?

What exactly are you referring to here? If I knew I would try to answer it!
That's a silly response, as I provided a link to your post that I was referring to.

. . . if you ask me a question I might be able to answer it properly, but I can't second guess what your on about!
Just click on the link to see where you posted what I referred to.

There are different levels of the earth's firmament
You hadn't mentioned that idea before. What is the evidence for it?

I was referring to the sun being higher up than another plane in the firmament.
Again, what evidence is there to support that?

Rather than suggest that I am somehow being misleading, why didn't you ask me to clarify what I was talking about, rather than try to make out that I don't know what I am talking about?
Because it's well-known that flat-earth theories have never been given in detail. They're all loaded with inadequately supported declarations of absurdity, and ideas that aren't backed by any evidence at all. I have asked you for specific things, but you've not provided them. Feel free to provide evidence for the existence of the "dark sun" that you mentioned, for example. Nobody else has.

If the sun is above, it's further from the earth than the moon, Well, it might be slightly larger, I can't tell you the exact sizes because hey guess what 'I ain't been up there with a tape measure!
Others have, but you've dismissed their evidence as lies. People have travelled right round the earth without having to double back or otherwise avoid its edge. There's no direct evidence that its edge exists, despite the earth being extensively explored and surveyed.

(No photographs from high altitude aircraft either?) Showing what?
Showing the shape of the earth, of course. That's what's being discussed.

I started taking a personal interest during my incarceration mid 1980's onward, when I had lots of free time to study and contemplate.
Okay, but when did you start to believe that the earth is flat, as distinct from just hearing or reading that some people think it is? If there are no satellites, what are Sky dishes pointing at so that people can watch television?

. . . as you earlier stated "I don't believe there are any satellites". There aren't any, and your point is?
There are, but you just dismiss the evidence as fake. You can see some of them quite easily with binoculars on a clear night, and the ISS is large enough for you to make out its shape.

. . . there are no satellites, and nobody or anything got through the radioactive Van Allen belt, it's all bunkem...
So how come Sky dishes work? Where did any space shuttle go to when it was alleged to have gone into orbit? Have you ever discussed your views with someone such as Major Peake, who claims to have been on board the ISS?

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #238 on: January 24, 2018, 01:19:AM »
The victims were executed by other means - probably shot!

I have distant relatives who lost their lives during the holocaust, I have no doubt that they were shot to death, rather than have been gassed, as claime, or disproved...

Well they were gassed.

"One woman approached me as she walked past and, pointing to her four children who were manfully helping the smallest ones over the rough ground, whispered: 'How can you bring yourself to kill such beautiful, darling children? Have you no heart at all?' One old man, as he passed me, hissed: 'Germany will pay a heavy penance for this mass murder of the Jews.' His eyes glowed with hatred as he said this. Nevertheless he walked calmly into the gas-chamber."
Rudolf Höss - Commandant of Auschwitz:

It just goes to show how much crap is spewed on in internet these days. And Flat earth is far worse than holocaust denial.

You are doing Jeremy no favours by posting Flat Earth nonsense on the forum.

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Re: Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?
« Reply #239 on: January 24, 2018, 02:11:AM »
Now, depending on the perspective of other people on the same globe earth module in other locations around the earth, a person, a bird, and insect, a motor vehicle, an aeroplane, and a boat could be the right way up, upside down, sideways on this way, or and sideways on that way, at one and the same time!
You've stated that before. I already understand it, but it's to be expected in the globe module, makes good sense, and is entirely possible. In the flat earth model, where is the north pole, and what shape are lines of constant longitude, the equator and other lines of constant latitude?