Is the Earth flat, or round, or both, but not spherical?

[mike tesko]

I pose the following proposition - what if the sun and the moon are interchangeable beacons of light in the firmanent (dome) above the earth?

[mike tesko]

I pose the following proposition - what if the sun and the moon are interchangeable beacons of light in the firmanent (dome) above the earth?

I am drawn to this conclusion because according to the testimony of an airline pilot during particular flights the sun which set in the west behind their flight path, mysteriously appeared in a nothernly, and sometimes a southernly position during their flightpath which invariably involved in their plane being flown in more or less a straight line, or as the crow flies, from departure location A to destination location B?

[mike tesko]

I am drawn to this conclusion because according to the testimony of an airline pilot during particular flights the sun which set in the west behind their flight path, mysteriously appeared in a nothernly, and sometimes a southernly position during their flightpath which invariably involved in their plane being flown in more or less a straight line, or as the crow flies, from departure location A to destination location B?

There are no known flight paths for commercial airplanes to fly across 'antarctica'...

[Caroline]

No, its not - visit specsavers...

Yes it is and it's not specsavers you need.

Carry on with this if you like, I won't be debating with you again.

[buddy]

I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.

[Caroline]

I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.

That makes two of us! 

[Jane]

I agree Caroline. Like going back to the dark ages.
I am bemused why Mike posted this.

Boredom! No one's talking to him

[mike tesko]

You can scoff all you like, I know a deception when one is being pulled, or played...

There are too many variables which to be frank quite simply 'do not add up'...

Lets take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?

The sun should almost always be along a plane calculated directly inbetween the jaws of any crescent or pahe of the moon, a position calcuable by reference to a diagonal line, but as is often the case, the position of the sun is often displaced way off the scale...

[Reader]

. . .  the sun and the moon were lights . . .

Were? How come the moon looks rocky now? How come we can accurately predict the eclipses of the sun and moon?

How can anyone with a Christian background ignore what is spoken about in the Holy Bible?

It's not ignored, but understood differently by different people. How come we can measure continental drift?

Let's take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?

The earth isn't between the sun and the moon for those phases.  If it were, there would be a lunar eclipse.

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

Were? How come the moon looks rocky now? it's a projected image which appears to be reflected off the dome shaped firmament How come we can accurately predict the eclipses of the sun and moon? achievable because the dome shaped firmament of the earth is of a unique specific size, capacity, curvature, and measuremement!
It's not ignored, but understood differently by different people. How come we can measure continental drift?by a reliance upon the curvature of the domed earth!
The earth isn't between the sun and the moon for those phases. that is correct - since when the sun and the moon are in the same part of the earth's firmament both of them are being viewed in a perspective along or toward varying degrees of an 'event horizon' dependant upon how the observation is being viewed, and calculated.
   If it were, there would be a lunar eclipse. There wouldn't always be a full lunar eclipse viewable to everyone located in different locations on the surface of the earth, if the moon was travelling inside the dome shaped firmament of the earth, as opposed to the journey of the sun which travels around the outside of the earth's domed firmament!

The reflective light waves of the moon appear to behave differently to the behaviour of the sunlight, where one appears to be located and moveable along the inside of the dome shaped firmament of the earth, whereas the other (the sun) appears to journey and operate on the outside of the same dome shaped firmament of the earth - light waves from the moon on the inside of the domed shape firmament of the earth appear to have an ability to bend and curve, whereas with the sun on the outer edge of the dome shaped firmament of the earth move in straight lines. Hence, why along the 'event horizon' from the vantage point of a person on the surface of the earth, the apparent interaction been the moon and the sun appear out of sync' ( the sun doesn't always appear to be in a part of the sky where it ought to be) as viewed by a person standing on the surface of the earth...

Reflected light from the moons surface appears capable of being bent, whereas direct sunlight always moves in straight lines with little or no prospect of deviation...

[Jane]

You can scoff all you like, I know a deception when one is being pulled, or played...

There are too many variables which to be frank quite simply 'do not add up'...

Lets take the sun and the moon in the same region of the sky together, with the moon at different phases of its supposed cycle - how can the earth be between the sun and the moon in order for the waxing and waning phases of the moon being displayed?

The sun should almost always be along a plane calculated directly inbetween the jaws of any crescent or pahe of the moon, a position calcuable by reference to a diagonal line, but as is often the case, the position of the sun is often displaced way off the scale...

I'm seeing more than a touch of paranoia here, Mike. Is there ANY walk of life where you DON'T believe "they" are out to get you? The world according to Mike doesn't feel like a safe place for the majority of us to be.

[Reader]

. . . the sun doesn't always appear to be in a part of the sky where it ought to be . . .

That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky, and the solar eclipses always occur as expected. Your description provides no explanation for the cratered appearance of the moon or the apparent motion of the planets. Also, it doesn't account for the apparent motion of the stars (round the earth).

[gringo]

That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky, and the solar eclipses always occur as expected. Your description provides no explanation for the cratered appearance of the moon or the apparent motion of the planets. Also, it doesn't account for the apparent motion of the stars (round the earth).

  ...or seasons or time zones.
   I actually bothered to see how flat earthers explain all of these things and it is half an hour lost. The explanations are so scientifically illiterate that it is impossible to know where to begin.

[mike tesko]

That's not what we observe. The sun and moon may be obscured by clouds, but they never turn up in an unexpected part of the sky Sometimes, clouds pass behind and in front of the moon which could not happen if the moon was so far away in outer space! When this occurs in video footage the moon could not possibly be in front of any cloud behind it, and therefore this would amount to the moon being in a part of the earth's sky and atmosphere where it shouldn't be!!!.

Any moon in outer space can never have cloud formations behind it!!!