Author Topic: " Fresh evidence uncovered ",as stated in todays Essex and Colchester Gazette.  (Read 30439 times)

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And whilst 'they' say that sorting out the problem would cost too much to implement, 'they' seem to forget who is actually paying for these scroungers to take holidays, play golf, and join gyms. I sometimes wonder what might happen if all of us protested who felt enough was enough? They'd probably charge us with civil disobedience/unrest -even starting a civil war!!!- and put us in prison..................and the scroungers would STILL be getting benefits they weren't entitled to!!!






I know. It makes you feel very bitter at times when you've worked all your life and done the right thing by paying into a pension----------pity nobody told you that you were wasting your time that paying into a pension made you exempt from claiming anything in the future as it took you above the limit of any entitlements which eventually makes you worse off than those who claim everything that opens and shuts. That's the reward many,including myself get for bothering to get out of bed in the morning.
I suppose the only thing we've got that nobody else has,and that's pride,which unfortunately doesn't pay the bills either.

I should be thankful for my decent health and strength ( which I am ) or I would be in a mess. One learns to get on with things and hope for the best.

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I know. It makes you feel very bitter at times when you've worked all your life and done the right thing by paying into a pension----------pity nobody told you that you were wasting your time that paying into a pension made you exempt from claiming anything in the future as it took you above the limit of any entitlements which eventually makes you worse off than those who claim everything that opens and shuts. That's the reward many,including myself get for bothering to get out of bed in the morning.
I suppose the only thing we've got that nobody else has,and that's pride,which unfortunately doesn't pay the bills either.

I should be thankful for my decent health and strength ( which I am ) or I would be in a mess. One learns to get on with things and hope for the best.
I too payed into a private pension, but the company I was with failed to honour their side of the deal.
It ended up going to the PPF, and the bosses got away scot free. Not all benefit claimers are bad.
 In fact some would love to work, but for various reasons can't. I understand your frustrations, but not all are scroungers.

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I know. It makes you feel very bitter at times when you've worked all your life and done the right thing by paying into a pension----------pity nobody told you that you were wasting your time that paying into a pension made you exempt from claiming anything in the future as it took you above the limit of any entitlements which eventually makes you worse off than those who claim everything that opens and shuts. That's the reward many,including myself get for bothering to get out of bed in the morning.
I suppose the only thing we've got that nobody else has,and that's pride,which unfortunately doesn't pay the bills either.

I should be thankful for my decent health and strength ( which I am ) or I would be in a mess. One learns to get on with things and hope for the best.

Hahahaah! Ain't THAT the truth ;D ;D ;D

Offline Jane

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I too payed into a private pension, but the company I was with failed to honour their side of the deal.
It ended up going to the PPF, and the bosses got away scot free. Not all benefit claimers are bad.
 In fact some would love to work, but for various reasons can't. I understand your frustrations, but not all are scroungers.

Buddy, I'm aware of that. Not for a MOMENT am I suggesting that such is the case.

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I too payed into a private pension, but the company I was with failed to honour their side of the deal.
It ended up going to the PPF, and the bosses got away scot free. Not all benefit claimers are bad.
 In fact some would love to work, but for various reasons can't. I understand your frustrations, but not all are scroungers.





The cost of living when I was working wasn't as it is now,Buddy and the pension I get was commensurate with the pay during the 70's,80's and 90's-------that's why I'm moaning.
It's money for old rope with some jobs today,as well as benefits which probably amount to more than I get with nearly 40 years of work behind me. This is what sickens me most.
If I'd have realised that my health would hold out,I'd still be working.

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The cost of living when I was working wasn't as it is now,Buddy and the pension I get was commensurate with the pay during the 70's,80's and 90's-------that's why I'm moaning.
It's money for old rope with some jobs today,as well as benefits which probably amount to more than I get with nearly 40 years of work behind me. This is what sickens me most.
If I'd have realised that my health would hold out,I'd still be working.
Like I said Lookout I really do understand your frustrations. A lot of benefits have been cut, and in my view unfairly. I fully understand what you mean by scroungers the trouble is the true people have been drawn in.

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Like I said Lookout I really do understand your frustrations. A lot of benefits have been cut, and in my view unfairly. I fully understand what you mean by scroungers the trouble is the true people have been drawn in.

Yes, they have Buddy, but you may be certain that it isn't the scroungers who'll lose out. THEY'LL go on collecting,. It's the TRULY needy who'll lose out.

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Yes, they have Buddy, but you may be certain that it isn't the scroungers who'll lose out. THEY'LL go on collecting,. It's the TRULY needy who'll lose out.
In that case Jane we will have to live with it. I am desperately sorry for those poor souls in need.

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In that case Jane we will have to live with it. I am desperately sorry for those poor souls in need.

I'm rather afraid we will, Buddy. I'm cynic enough to believe it won't make a SCRAP of difference, to the lives of many of us, WHICH party governs.

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I'm rather afraid we will, Buddy. I'm cynic enough to believe it won't make a SCRAP of difference, to the lives of many of us, WHICH party governs.
I don't vote Jane.

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I don't vote Jane.

I don't blame you, Buddy. Within a few months of an election -whatever the result- I wonder why I bothered.

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Supporting evidence to 'confirm there was an attack alarm' which was activated from within the farmhouse by 3.29am, is contained in 'a police telex message' log. All types of alarm such as 'intruder alarms' and 'attack alarms' which were fed directly through to the police are 'automatically recorded' there as one of many telex messages 'when' activated! The times that police units got deployed to respond to such occurences are 'also' recorded! There is little doubt from what I have seen that 'PC Myall' left to go to the farmhouse 'long before the occupants of CA07' containing 'PS Bews' and 'PS Saxby' did! The telex message log I have seen has 'the occupants of CA07' being deployed to the incident at '3.45am', not 3.35am! Bonnetts 'handwritten note' that the occupants of 'CA07' were deployed to the incident at '3.35am', and that they 'arrived' there at '3.48am', is false! From his console (6) in the incident room 'he typed' in the fact that 'CA07 were deployed at 3.45am', hence why in the police 'telex message' log it 'flagged up' correctly as 3.45am! The handwritten version of 'Malcolm Bonnetts' 3.26am log, therefore has 'misleading information' recorded upon it and in it. He 'typed' in at his keyboard that 'CA07 had been deployed to the incident at 3.45am', which was 'after Jeremy called Chelmsford police station' at 3.36am, why would he record the time 'inaccurately' as though they had been deployed '10 minutes' earlier? The answer seems clear to me, the handwritten phone log made by 'Malcolm Bonnett', was 'not' written up contemporaneously, it was made up and 'written out much later' on another occasion! Probably after the 'nature of the police investigation altered' from 'four murders and a suicide', into 'five murders', by which time the 'audio recordings' of Neville Bambers 3.26am call to Witham police station which 'got diverted' to Chelmsford incident room by the 'automated service' deployed back at Witham because there was 'no-one' available to take Nevilles call at that time, and 'Jeremys' call to Chelmsford police station at '3.36am', had both been (arguably) 'destroyed' or 'disposed of' because they were over '28 days' old. Bews and Saxby did 'not arrive' at the scene until '3.58am', they 'weren't there' at '3.48am', but 'PC Myall' was 'already there', he was there in time to see 'the scruffy looking hunched man walking away from the farmhouse' at '3.45am', not at 'about' 3.45am, and certainly not 'about an hour before the firearm officers arrived at the scene' (5am) in keeping with 'Kim Sengupta's News article' on the matter! The reason why 'Bonnetts' 3.26am phone log records the time that CA07 was deployed to the incident and arrived there, is recorded as having taken place 10 minutes sooner than they had been, was because at the time Bonnet wrote out the handwritten version of his 3.26am log, 'Jeremy' had already been interviewed in early September about the sequence with which 'he had called the police and his girlfriend' Julie Mugford! He told the 'interviewing officers' that he had called Julie first then the police! They took Jeremy to task on that asssertion 'reminding him' that on the morning of the incident he had told officers at the scene that 'he had tried phoning Witham police station' but had got no reply, and then 'he had phoned Julie'! Jeremy 'appeared confused' when challenged about this, and 'eventually conceded' that 'what he had originally told the officers at the scene' that he had tried to phone Witham police station before he had phoned Julie, and not the other way round, 'must be the true sequence' of events! But, 'Jeremy' had tried to contact Witham police 'before he phoned his girlfriend' but got no answer, and he had phoned Chelmsford police 'after he had spoken' to Julie! What the police knew and have known all along, is that 'Neville Bambers' distress call was made at 3.26am, and that 'Jeremys' call to Chelmsford occurred at 3.36am, 10 minutes later! Somebody in authority who was possibly 'trying to keep the lid on' the true nature of the 'incident' at the farmhouse (the murders of Neville, June and their two grandchildren on the one hand, and the 'circumstances of the death of Sheila', who perhaps may have originally been 'earmarked as the patsy' to take the blame for the other deaths, if we lean toward Giovanni De Stefano's explanation for what might have occured involving a spy ring conspiracy) realised that by presenting the time of 'Jeremys' 3.36am call to Chelmsford, as having occurred 10 minutes sooner, it would 'serve to mask the fact that Neville Bamber had made his distress call' at around the time that 'Jeremy' had attempted to contact Witham police station himself unsuccessfully! Hence why during the trial 'an attempt was made' to try and get 'PC West' to agree that he could have 'made a mistake' when looking at the control room clock by as much as 10 minutes. In the end though PC West 'wasn't prepared to accept' that he had made such a glaring error! The 'fact is', he didn't...

The contents of both logs (Bonnetts 3.26am log, and Wests 3.36am log) were 'never disclosed together', alongside one another during the trial, or the 'subsequent' failed appeal and the 'contradictory nature' of both were 'never considered' or 'debated, and no court 'judgement' given which dispensed the issues arising therein, because the prosecution made Jeremys call (PC Wests 3.36am log) the subject of 'a mistaken time' having been recorded by PC West. There was 'nothing presented' to suggest or imply that the 'contents of each log' supported the fact that Neville and Jeremy had contacted the police about the same matter, albeit 'couched in terminology' representative of 'Neville telling police himself' what was happening, and 'Jeremy telling police what Neville had told him' was happening!
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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A 999 call at 6.09am.

Wouldn't it have been easier for Nevill to go outside & meet the police ?

I think Neville Bamber was  already dead by the time the '999' call got made from inside the farmhouse at 6.09am - which leaves June or Sheila as the caller..
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Exactly, they were all outside, no need to call anyone. Honestly!  ::)


I think Neville Bamber was  already dead by the time the '999' call got made from inside the farmhouse at 6.09am - which leaves June or Sheila as the caller..
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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No evidence has been posted of a 999 call being made at any time from WHF.