" Fresh evidence uncovered ",as stated in todays Essex and Colchester Gazette.

[Jane]

It must have been,or what else was it a response to ?

Your guess is as good as mine, Lookout. I don't believe there to have been any "must have been" about it.

[David1819]

Oh dear....

[Caroline]

Oh dear....

Yes, it's basically what Mike has been on about a few weeks ago (and probably still is). Like I said, not impressed.

[lookout]

I'm not impressed that it's 32 years too late before the " powers that be " see the implications in it.

[Roch]

Jean Rowe couldn't access the 999 facility ...(just for info).

[Jan]

Having heard all about how posters have studied what was and was not possible on that exchange I am interested to see what explanation is forthcoming .

[David1819]

Having heard all about how posters have studied what was and was not possible on that exchange I am interested to see what explanation is forthcoming .

A telephone operator connected the open line at WHF to a police HQ so they could listen in. lol

[Jan]

? But they had apparently been listening in anyway ?

That exchange was more sophisticated than we have been led to believe.

[Jane]

I've just watched both the national and local news for the third time today. Nothing has been said re "Fresh Evidence Uncovered". I noticed that the article was printed on page 17. Might it be that the publication didn't think it was hugely important?

[lookout]

If it had have stated a page on his guilt you'd have been all ears,page 17 or not. That's the difference I'm afraid.

[Jane]

If it had have stated a page on his guilt you'd have been all ears,page 17 or not. That's the difference I'm afraid.

What's left to say about his guilt, Lookout? It was established 30+ years ago. Quite understandably, it wouldn't be given a prime spot.

[mike tesko]

A record exists of the '999' call that was transferred by the operator from the farmhouse to the control room at 6.09am..

If no such call was made and transferred, how did the lady operator use the '999' open line system to link the phones at the house to the control room - she couldn't do that if the phone had simply been off the hook! The fact that she did transfer a call from the house to the control room using the '999' system proves somebody was still alive inside the farmhouse at 6.09am, when the call got transferred!

What I am saying can be verified by any BT engineer who worked the system at the time!

I believe the lady operator herself said as much in some witness statement or other, that unless it was an emergency call she would not have been able to patch a 'off the hook' phone at the house to the control room using the '999' system, or words to that effect!

Clearly somebody was still alive inside the farmhouse in addition to 'Crispy' the dog, a living victim who managed to make that '999' call!

[Jane]

A record exists of the '999' call that was transferred by the operator from the farmhouse to the control room at 6.09am..

If no such call was made and transferred, how did the lady operator use the '999' open line system to link the phones at the house to the control room - she couldn't do that if the phone had simply been off the hook! The fact that she did transfer a call from the house to the control room using the '999' system proves somebody was still alive inside the farmhouse at 6.09am, when the call got transferred!

What I am saying can be verified by any BT engineer who worked the system at the time!

I believe the lady operator herself said as much in some witness statement or other, that unless it was an emergency call she would not have been able to patch a 'off the hook' phone at the house to the control room using the '999' system, or words to that effect!

Clearly somebody was still alive inside the farmhouse in addition to 'Crispy' the dog, a living victim who managed to make that '999' call!

I believe Caroline was in contact with the guy who was responsible for the system at the time?

[mike tesko]

I believe Caroline was in contact with the guy who was responsible for the system at the time?

I myself was in direct contact with BT engineers who knew all there was to know about the telephones in use at the farm, at police headquarters, in the sub stations in that era, and my eyes were opened when I learned the truth about the garbage the prosecution had used during the trial! I can assure everyone that what I was told is accurate - the off the hook phone back at the house could not remain in a off the hook state all the way from 3.42am until it was terminated at 7.47am, the system in use at the substation would have reset the phone line back at the farmhouse after a specific period of time! That period would not have lasted or exceeded over an unbroken 4 hour period!

Thats what I know...

[lookout]

What's left to say about his guilt, Lookout? It was established 30+ years ago. Quite understandably, it wouldn't be given a prime spot.

Then why bother arguing against something which in your mind is a foregone conclusion ? I don't get it.