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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2017, 10:25:AM »
I did not mean he did deny the call - he did not it is in his statements

Its whether he genuinely remembers what he said .

It seems its fine for Julie to say she was half asleep ( or drugged up )  and got confused but not Jeremy .
As Stan Jones asked: "Why telephone Julie at all.."

Bamber: "To tell her what was going on.."

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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2017, 10:56:AM »
I did not mean he did deny the call - he did not it is in his statements

Its whether he genuinely remembers what he said .

It seems its fine for Julie to say she was half asleep ( or drugged up )  and got confused but not Jeremy .
I agree, we have to remember that a heck of a lot happened between JB's phone call to Julie and his statement. Surely it's understandable enough that he may struggle to recall his words in a phone call which possibly felt a world away after what happened later?
If he is truly innocent he must have been totally traumatised but he is expected to behave in a totally rational manner. If he is innocent he is probably still traumatised, probably has PTSD which could explain his reported bad behaviour towards people.
It's easy to judge from afar.
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2017, 11:48:AM »
The excuse for the second telephone call does go down like a lead balloon, especially as the explanation for him jilting her was that their relationship had been cooling for months.

It is strange that with the relationship coming to a close the last 6 months according to Bamber, he rang Julie three times in 7 hours. All at unsocial hours. And brought the bike over for her just before the massacre.

Mind you bringing a bike over for Julie to cycle to the train station isn't suggesting things were getting any stronger.
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2017, 11:59:AM »
The rejection Jeremy suffered from the primal wound, the second separation as he left for school, the alienation from the boys in the dormitory at Gresham's he endured for eight years, thawing somewhat only to be labelled as the Bastard as a fellow pupil misappropriated a trust, him leaving Gresham's lower in rank to those who left with superior qualifications and his realization that his life was mapped out as skivvy on the Farm until his parents' demise.

Was this feeling tempered somewhat by Sheila's own educational and career failure as both mother and sister disintegrated before his very eyes: June, like Psyche, sorting the seeds, entasked and imprisoned in her neverending quest for spiritual perfection, Sheila forever hounded with her own demons as she compared herself to the cosmetic perfection of the temporal world of Maida Vale? Did he begin to blossom away from the restrictions of formal education, or did he yearn for ever more freedom as June's talks with the vicar granted both children a degree of autonomy, or was the damage done as an ever more streetwise Jeremy began to reflect on his damaged physiognomy and decided he knew where to lay the blame?

Should Jeremy ever attempt to disburthen himself of that terrible legacy of his early twenties, could any individual exhort a confession, any figure of authority, any man of the cloth, when he has witnessed at first hand what destruction the slightest trust in any person or adhesion to religion has caused? What hope for any man who remains contented confined within a prison cell, reminiscent of an early life always spent apart, the prison cell mirroring the lifetime experiences he suffered isolated in those desolate compounds of school and White House Farm.
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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2017, 12:02:PM »
I did not mean he did deny the call - he did not it is in his statements

Its whether he genuinely remembers what he said .

It seems its fine for Julie to say she was half asleep ( or drugged up )  and got confused but not Jeremy .

Julie's father didn't call her with early morning talk of guns and craziness - that's enough to wake anyone up. Buit then again, Jeremy's father didn't call either and he was already awake.
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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2017, 12:03:PM »
As Stan Jones asked: "Why telephone Julie at all.."

Bamber: "To tell her what was going on.."

And also to bolster his alibi.
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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2017, 12:05:PM »
I agree, we have to remember that a heck of a lot happened between JB's phone call to Julie and his statement. Surely it's understandable enough that he may struggle to recall his words in a phone call which possibly felt a world away after what happened later?
If he is truly innocent he must have been totally traumatised but he is expected to behave in a totally rational manner. If he is innocent he is probably still traumatised, probably has PTSD which could explain his reported bad behaviour towards people.
It's easy to judge from afar.

You would remember the gist, it was the most important day in his life and why would he be traumatised? At that point he supposedly didn't know what had happened and ceratinly wasn't bothered enough to call the police first.
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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2017, 12:05:PM »
I agree, we have to remember that a heck of a lot happened between JB's phone call to Julie and his statement. Surely it's understandable enough that he may struggle to recall his words in a phone call which possibly felt a world away after what happened later?
If he is truly innocent he must have been totally traumatised but he is expected to behave in a totally rational manner. If he is innocent he is probably still traumatised, probably has PTSD which could explain his reported bad behaviour towards people.
It's easy to judge from afar.

Bamber wouldn't even say why he called Julie at 3am. Just saying 'no comment' to the police. 

Calling Julie at 3am was the first or second thing he did after receiving Nevill's call. So there was no way he would forget what he said. The call only lasted a few seconds.
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2017, 12:10:PM »
What Julie said Bamber said in his 5am phone call is 100% correct. As that is what happened.

What Julie said Bamber said in his 10pm has been proved to be correct. Bamber did work on the tractor & go for supper at WHF that day.

Bamber just has to convince that he didn't phone Julie at 10pm to tell her 'tonights the night' & then at 3am to say 'everything is going well. At the moment he's failed to do this as he won't discuss these calls.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2017, 12:13:PM by Adam »
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Re: Bamber's 3am - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2017, 12:13:PM »
You would remember the gist, it was the most important day in his life and why would he be traumatised? At that point he supposedly didn't know what had happened and ceratinly wasn't bothered enough to call the police first.
These murderers never inquire as to how their victims died, they are never curious, because deep down they know the answers and they know the difference between right and wrong. Jeremy Bamber, David Bain, Noura Jackson, Sheila Bowler, Lisa and Michelle Taylor: they never show emotion, never express remorse..
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2017, 12:29:PM »
It is strange that with the relationship coming to a close the last 6 months according to Bamber, he rang Julie three times in 7 hours. All at unsocial hours. And brought the bike over for her just before the massacre.

Mind you bringing a bike over for Julie to cycle to the train station isn't suggesting things were getting any stronger.

She was his girlfriend at the time so I think there is nothing unusual in that

A chat in the evening after work

A call because he was worried and did not know what to do very quick and brief

Then who else was he supposed to call when all his family were dead ?

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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2017, 12:33:PM »
She was his girlfriend at the time so I think there is nothing unusual in that

A chat in the evening after work

A call because he was worried and did not know what to do very quick and brief

Then who else was he supposed to call when all his family were dead ?

He didn't call Julie for advice at 3am. He called her 'to hear a friendly voice'.

He testified he shouldn't have brought Julie over on the massacre morning. There were enough police & relatives available to console him.
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2017, 12:34:PM »
She was his girlfriend at the time so I think there is nothing unusual in that

A chat in the evening after work

A call because he was worried and did not know what to do very quick and brief

Then who else was he supposed to call when all his family were dead ?
But he's not supposed to know that at the time? How many blokes do you know who are trying to get rid of a clingy partner then go on to encourage them further?

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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2017, 12:38:PM »
She was his girlfriend at the time so I think there is nothing unusual in that

A chat in the evening after work

A call because he was worried and did not know what to do very quick and brief

Then who else was he supposed to call when all his family were dead ?

Didn't know what to do? Really?
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Re: Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2017, 12:49:PM »
But he's not supposed to know that at the time? How many blokes do you know who are trying to get rid of a clingy partner then go on to encourage them further?

I thought the police asked him if he wanted to call someone?  - oh yes I remember now it was before the raid so sorry he could not call his family because they were in a middle of a siege and the phone was off the hook