Bamber's 3am call - Alternarive dialogue suggestions.

[Adam]

Only Julie has given a dialogued account of what Bamber said when he phoned her for the second time at 3am - 'everything's going well, I haven't slept all night. There is something wrong at the farm'.

This makes sense as Bamber obviously phoned Julie at such an unsocial time to tell her something. 

Bamber said to the police 'no comment' when asked what he said in his phone call. Although he must have remembered.

A year after the massacre he testified he rang Julie 'to hear a friendly voice'.

Are there any suggestions of the exact words Bamber may have said. Remember Bamber was not ringing Julie for advice. Just to hear a friendly voice.

[Jan]

Only Julie has given a dialogued account of what Bamber said when he phoned her for the second time at 3am - 'everything's going well, I haven't slept all night. There is something wrong at the farm'.

This makes sense as Bamber obviously phoned Julie at such an unsocial time to tell her something. 

Bamber said to the police 'no comment' when asked what he said in his phone call. Although he must have remembered. Over a year later he testified he rang Julie 'to hear a friendly voice'.

Are there any suggestions of the exact words Bamber may have said. Remember Bamber was not ringing Julie for advice. Just to hear a friendly voice.

If you are going to have a discussion you have to try and understand both scenarios . By the tone of your post it is obvious you are not willing to do that . Or did you just want to start another thread?

[Adam]

I'll give a suggestion.

Julie: 'Hello'.

Bamber 'It's me. Dad has rang & said Sheila's gone crazy and got the gun'. The police have told me to meet them at the farm'
 
Julie 'What time is it ? Why have you rang me ? I have work tomorrow'.

Bamber ' I just wanted to hear a friendly voice.

Julie ' Did you say you are meeting the police ? You should go rather than ringing me. I am too tired to speak'.

Bamber ' Ok. I will ring later'.

[Adam]

If you are going to have a discussion you have to try and understand both scenarios . By the tone of your post it is obvious you are not willing to do that . Or did you just want to start another thread?

You can always give a suggestion of what Bamber said. He never has although must remember.

[Adam]

I'll give a suggestion.

Julie: 'Hello'.

Bamber 'It's me. Dad has rang & said Sheila's gone crazy and got the gun'. The police have told me to meet them at the farm'
 
Julie 'What time is it ? Why have you rang me ? I have work tomorrow'.

Bamber ' I just wanted to hear a friendly voice.

Julie ' Did you say you are meeting the police ? You should go rather than ringing me. I am too tired to speak'.

Bamber ' Ok. I will ring later'.

I am sure Bamber felt better after hearing Julie's 3am 'friendly voice' for a few seconds.

And I'm sure Julie felt good after Bamber's call.

[Jan]

I am sure Bamber felt better after hearing Julie's 3am 'friendly voice' for a few seconds.

And I'm sure Julie felt good after Bamber's call.

An alternative for the first call . Tonight's the night , for the murders i have told you about for months .


Oh no sweetie pie , don't do it , life in jail is it worth it ?, those poor children ?  But you could share the millions with me ? So perhaps it is a good idea .

But don't cross me , or I might tell .

[Adam]

An alternative for the first call . Tonight's the night , for the murders i have told you about for months .


Oh no sweetie pie , don't do it , life in jail is it worth it ?, those poor children ?  But you could share the millions with me ? So perhaps it is a good idea .

But don't cross me , or I might tell .

It's a pity Bamber can't remember anything at all on what he said to Julie in his 3 phone calls to her. He remembers a lot of other things.

Bamber was the one who made the calls. So must remember what he said.

The police asked him what he said to Julie in the 3 phone calls in his police interviews. But getting any feedback was like pulling teeth.

[Caroline]

An alternative for the first call . Tonight's the night , for the murders i have told you about for months .


Oh no sweetie pie , don't do it , life in jail is it worth it ?, those poor children ?  But you could share the millions with me ? So perhaps it is a good idea .

But don't cross me , or I might tell .

You asked Adam to look at an alternative, to see things from an innocent side - you didn't do that. At last he tried.

[Jan]

You can always give a suggestion of what Bamber said. He never has although must remember.

So if he planned this  meticulously down to false phone calls , leaving a staged suicide , leaving no forensic link to himself , getting rid of his clothes, etc etc then why would he admit a call that he can't remember?

In retrospect did he feel stupid and selfish for not taking his fathers call more seriously and taking more notice of what he said and doing the right thing ? Rather than hesitating , not calling 999 , or calling someone else to help? Did he feel that by panicking and ringing Julie for some sort of reassurance and advice he had done his father a misjustice , let him down when he needed him most ?

Sounds more likely than a chink in the armour of his perfect plan .

[Jan]

You asked Adam to look at an alternative, to see things from an innocent side - you didn't do that. At last he tried.

We crossed posts . And I  am trying to get him to post properly and not in some petulant child way . Which is what he sounds like .

[Caroline]

So if he planned this  meticulously down to false phone calls , leaving a staged suicide , leaving no forensic link to himself , getting rid of his clothes, etc etc then why would he admit a call that he can't remember?

In retrospect did he feel stupid and selfish for not taking his fathers call more seriously and taking more notice of what he said and doing the right thing ? Rather than hesitating , not calling 999 , or calling someone else to help? Did he feel that by panicking and ringing Julie for some sort of reassurance and advice he had done his father a misjustice , let him down when he needed him most ?

Sounds more likely than a chink in the armour of his perfect plan .

How can he deny a call that other people in the flat can remember? There is no denying that the call happened, it's not just Julie that heard the phone ring.

[Adam]

We crossed posts . And I  am trying to get him to post properly and not in some petulant child way . Which is what he sounds like .

I am just trying to get some dialogue of what Bamber said to Julie at 3am.

He will remember what he said minutes after Nevill's call. But has only ever said 'no comment' outside of court.

Julie has given dialogue which makes sense as Bamber rang her at 3am to tell her something.

But you are not going to give any dialogue suggestions.

[Adam]

Everyone knows julie is correct & Bamber in his third call said 'I've only got one 10p. Don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up'. Although Bamber won't confirm this.

This is exactly what happened.  Bamber couldn't say any more with one 10p.

However there needs to be credible dialogue to match Bamber ringing Julie at 3am to 'hear a friendly voice'. Bamber just says 'no comment'.

At the moment the only dialogue has come from Julie. This matches her version of Bamber giving her an update after he had killed everyone.

[Steve_uk]

Everyone knows julie is correct & Bamber in his third call said 'I've only got one 10p. Don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up'. Although Bamber won't confirm this.

This is exactly what happened.  Bamber couldn't say any more with one 10p.

However there needs to be credible dialogue to match Bamber ringing Julie at 3am to 'hear a friendly voice'. Bamber just says 'no comment'.

At the moment the only dialogue has come from Julie. This matches her version of Bamber giving her an update after he had killed everyone.

The excuse for the second telephone call does go down like a lead balloon, especially as the explanation for him jilting her was that their relationship had been cooling for months.

[Jan]

How can he deny a call that other people in the flat can remember? There is no denying that the call happened, it's not just Julie that heard the phone ring.

I did not mean he did deny the call - he did not it is in his statements

Its whether he genuinely remembers what he said .

It seems its fine for Julie to say she was half asleep ( or drugged up )  and got confused but not Jeremy .