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Offline susan

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2017, 08:39:PM »
He didn't bother to clean the bike. It was left covered in yellow, sulphurous mud for a month.

Steve surely the fact that Jeremy did not attempt to clean the bike indicates he had no reason to do so it was forensically tested anyway.

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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2017, 08:43:PM »
Steve surely the fact that Jeremy did not attempt to clean the bike indicates he had no reason to do so it was forensically tested anyway.
Well he thought he'd got away with it by then..

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2017, 08:51:PM »
Well he thought he'd got away with it by then..
I find that very hard to believe Steve, I'm sure he would have been a bit more careful than blatantly leaving the bike outside his house covered in evidence.
I know I read in one of the books that there was yellow sulpherous mud in the farmyard and up the Lane at WHF and that June had used the bike around there before deciding biking wasn't for her and giving the whole thing up.  I am not posting this as fact because I have nothing to back it up but it could possibly be true.  Too may possibilities are picked up and used as proof of guilt when they have no more substance than a quote from a book which is often hearsay.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2017, 08:52:PM »
I am worried , I am agreeing with Adam


Not about the staging , but if it was Jeremy it would suit his story to have his prints Sheila's and evidence of the fight which was allegedly set up to make it look like sheila?
Jan Ron Cook's statement stated he was of the opinion no fight took place in the kitchen the main reason being Neville was too badly injured.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2017, 08:55:PM »
I find that very hard to believe Steve, I'm sure he would have been a bit more careful than blatantly leaving the bike outside his house covered in evidence.
I know I read in one of the books that there was yellow sulpherous mud in the farmyard and up the Lane at WHF and that June had used the bike around there before deciding biking wasn't for her and giving the whole thing up.  I am not posting this as fact because I have nothing to back it up but it could possibly be true.  Too may possibilities are picked up and used as proof of guilt when they have no more substance than a quote from a book which is often hearsay.

Maggie the bike was examined for evidence of Jeremy using it for his trip to the farm.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2017, 01:12:AM »
There is no evidence at all to suggest that the bicycle was used that night. If responsible for the crimes, it is to be expected that Bamber should have blood upon his hands. The murderer was close enough to the victims for the blood to enter the sound moderator. If responsible Bamber would also have had to have staged the suicide scene, moving Sheila's body in to an appropriate position and also placing the gun on her chest. With Sheila having been covered in blood ultimately Bamber's hands, if he were the killer, would have become blood stained. It is therefore interesting to note that the bicycle was subjected to forensic examination with no evidence being found.

Additionally Robert Boutflour carried out extensive examination of the countryside surrounding White House Farm. He went to extraordinary lengths to try and locate wheel tracks. With the weather having caused muddy terrain, such tracks would certainly have been left should a bicycle have been moving in the area. No tracks from June Bamber's bicycle were discovered. With his determination to uncover evidence, if tracks existed he would have found them. Police officers also spent time looking for tracks, but to no avail. Soil samples were taken and matched against soil found on the tyres of the bicycle. These showed that no soil from the vicinity of the crime scene was present on the tyres.

It would therefore appear that the bicycle was not used in the crime. This further undermines Mugford's claims and the prosecution's argument.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2017, 01:49:AM »
There's no need for the bicycle to have been used for Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. Julie was relating what Jeremy told her, which doesn't have to be gospel truth. As far as the blood is concerned there were specks of blood found on one of his jackets in the wardrobe at Bourtree Cottage. Most men don't shave and nick themselves wearing a jacket. I believe that had the crime scene been preserved, the jacket found earlier and with today's modern techniques he could have been tied to the crime scene.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2017, 06:04:AM »
There's no need for the bicycle to have been used for Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. Julie was relating what Jeremy told her, which doesn't have to be gospel truth. As far as the blood is concerned there were specks of blood found on one of his jackets in the wardrobe at Bourtree Cottage. Most men don't shave and nick themselves wearing a jacket. I believe that had the crime scene been preserved, the jacket found earlier and with today's modern techniques he could have been tied to the crime scene.

The relatives immersed themselves in the crime scene at every available opportunity, maybe this was deliberate on the part of one or more of them, to disguise the presence of the victims blood on their clothing and footwear! Anthony Pargeters rifle was definately at the farmhouse at the time of the shootings! Jeremy told me it was kept in the downstairs toilet, but Pargeter claims he took it home the penultimate week-end prior to the shootings! I don't believe what Pargeter has said! His Bruno rifle had the same number of lands and grooves as the anshuzt rifle, and he could have altered the lining of the barrel of his gun by using harsh cleansing tools after the shootings to alter the courseness or otherwise of the lining of the barrel! His rifle could have been used in the shootings and cops tampered with at least 11 possibly 12 of the crime scene cartridge cases! The COLP investigation was a whitewash, designed to conceal the truth, not to expose it to the benefit of Jeremy Bamber!

You can't trust the police investigating themselves!!

Jeremy Bamber did not kill anyone, and there is no positive evidence to support the claim that he did! Cops were responsible for shooting dead Sheila and staging her death scene on the bedroom floor, and they got away with convincing the jury that Jeremy had done what the cops themselves had done! Jeremys conviction by the jury got the cops out of the shit for what they did! You can't go around treating the bodies of victims in such a major crime scene like props in a theatre production and blame somebodyelse for staging the scene! But in this case, that is precisely what has occurred! If the Jury had known cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene it would have made a significant difference to their verdict!

Its a disgrace that Jeremy Bamber has remained incarcerated for nigh on 32 years, or thereabouts, when it is absolutely certain that cops tampered with the crime scene, and staged Sheila Caffells death as a suicide, and took photographs which were presented as though they showed her body in possession of the rifle undisturbed from over two and a half hours beforehand! We all know that this presentation was a dishonest one! All but the jury which convicted Jeremy Bamber, in the belief that the photographic evidence they were bombarded with was honest and accurate, showing what Jeremy had done, in an attempt to fool the police into supposedly accepting that his sister had committed suicide!

If the police radio message logs had been disclosed to the defence pre-trial, it would have been possible to show the jury or at least to alert them to the fact that Cops presented Sheila's death as a suicide all by themselves, downstairs in the kitchen certainly by as early as 7.45am - remember 'LINDA' in the control room contacting DS Davidson at his home address at this time, requesting him to come on duty to the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf involving two bodies, a murder, and 'a suicide'! Two bodies in the kitchen from as early as 7.35am, two bodies by 7.37am, two bodies by 7.38am, and two bodies by 7.42am! How the 'fuck' can Jeremy Bamber be responsible for staging his sisters death scene upstairs on the main bedroom floor, when cops had her body downstairs in the kitchen, dead by way of her own suicide at a much earlier time, as quoted?

By 8.10am, the seige was apparently over!

So why did it take one hour and fifty minutes before the supposedly only SOCO team (Cook, Bird, Hammersley and Davidson) took control of the crime scene at 10am?

Think about it long and hard, because cops have deceived everybody!

« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 06:27:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2017, 08:15:AM »
Maggie the bike was examined for evidence of Jeremy using it for his trip to the farm.

You keep saying that.

Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2017, 12:29:PM »
You keep saying that.

Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?

why a month later ? Anne said she was aware of the bike immediately and was watching Jeremy.

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2017, 01:00:PM »
There is no evidence at all to suggest that the bicycle was used that night. If responsible for the crimes, it is to be expected that Bamber should have blood upon his hands. The murderer was close enough to the victims for the blood to enter the sound moderator. If responsible Bamber would also have had to have staged the suicide scene, moving Sheila's body in to an appropriate position and also placing the gun on her chest. With Sheila having been covered in blood ultimately Bamber's hands, if he were the killer, would have become blood stained. It is therefore interesting to note that the bicycle was subjected to forensic examination with no evidence being found.

Additionally Robert Boutflour carried out extensive examination of the countryside surrounding White House Farm. He went to extraordinary lengths to try and locate wheel tracks. With the weather having caused muddy terrain, such tracks would certainly have been left should a bicycle have been moving in the area. No tracks from June Bamber's bicycle were discovered. With his determination to uncover evidence, if tracks existed he would have found them. Police officers also spent time looking for tracks, but to no avail. Soil samples were taken and matched against soil found on the tyres of the bicycle. These showed that no soil from the vicinity of the crime scene was present on the tyres.

It would therefore appear that the bicycle was not used in the crime. This further undermines Mugford's claims and the prosecution's argument.

He doesn't have to have used the bike to be guilty and it doesn't undermine their argument at all. If Jerey could still have told Julie he used the bike or intended to, just like he told her about a fictitious hitman.
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2017, 01:14:PM »
He doesn't have to have used the bike to be guilty and it doesn't undermine their argument at all. If Jerey could still have told Julie he used the bike or intended to, just like he told her about a fictitious hitman.

Any luck finding the full identity of this mysterious "other Mcdonald" that RWB and Barlow mentioned in late August. Before Julie 'came forward' ?

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2017, 05:09:PM »
Any luck finding the full identity of this mysterious "other Mcdonald" that RWB and Barlow mentioned in late August. Before Julie 'came forward' ?


David any luck in finding the source that Sheila had left her fingerprints all over the shell casings?

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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2017, 05:30:PM »
You keep saying that.

Not sure what the police were supposed to find on the bike a month later. Paint marks, Sheila's blood & a grey hair perhaps ?

That's why you understand nothing about forensics .

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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2017, 07:06:PM »
David any luck in finding the source that Sheila had left her fingerprints all over the shell casings?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8339.0;attach=48765