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Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« on: July 30, 2017, 07:48:PM »
Ex-prisoner who did time with Jeremy Bamber says he is innocent on anniversary of Essex tragedy


(1) - http://www.essexlive.news/ex-prisoner-did-time-jeremy-bamber-says-innocent/story-27563935-detail/story.html

A wrongly-convicted prisoner who served time with Jeremy Bamber has claimed he is innocent on the 30th anniversary of the White House Farm murders.

Michael O'Brien, who was imprisoned for eleven years for the Cardiff newsagent murder in 1987, has written a guest blog post for a website run by supporters of 54-year-old Bamber, suggesting that the convicted murderer "stuck out like a sore thumb".

Bamber was convicted in 1986 of the murder of his parents, sister and her two sons in Tolleshunt D'Arcy,but has long protested his innocence.

With today marking the 30th anniversary of the deaths, O'Brien writes: "I met Jeremy in Long Lartin prison between 1989 -1996 and it was so obvious that he did not fit in to prison life.

"He stood out for me, and he seemed lost just like I once was when I first went to prison. I knew something was not right with his case and believed in his innocence from the start. It was a gut feeling I had about him and Jeremy was different to the other prisoners.

"The case was the most important thing to him, and proving his innocence was the main thing on his mind just like it was with me. They say you can spot an innocent man a mile off and they stick out like a sore thumb—Jeremy was certainly in that category.

"Wrongful convictions have a habit of leaving the innocent suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and they may not even know they are suffering from it. I thought I was OK, however experts soon found out that I was far from that.

"Being in prison for a crime you didn't commit leaves many scars and it can only be described like a roller coaster ride. One minute you are angry and you feel you can fight whatever obstacles are placed in your way, and the next you are in total despair.

"Depression seeps into your mind, overwhelming you. The only thing I had on my mind 24 hours a day was to fight the injustice and I lived and breathed the case just like Jeremy is doing now.

"I do not know whether I would have had the strength that Jeremy has got if I had still been in prison for almost 30 years like he has. However, one thing I do know is that I would have fought as hard as I could to obtain justice in the same way as Jeremy has done, and he has to continue fighting until he has been proved innocent because that is exactly what he is.

"When I found out I was going to be released, I had a lot of anxiety not knowing what to expect in the outside world and this was after eleven years. Looking at it from Jeremy's perspective it would be quite frightening with the way society and the outside world has changed in the 30 years he has been incarcerated.

"Fear of the unknown and not knowing how he will adjust back into society can also be a daunting thought. I felt this too, and also wondering what reception you are going to get from the general public. These are just some of the things, which will be going through Jeremys mind.

"We must not lose sight of the fact due to the injustice that has been laid on Jeremy, he has suffered further by losing his family: Nevill, June, Sheila, Nicolas and Daniel. He has not been able to grieve for the loss of his family, as he should have been able to do.

"My thoughts are with Jeremy's family who lost their lives in tragic circumstances and also with Jeremy who not only lost his family but also his freedom, which has been stolen from him. I believe a miscarriage of justice does not lay doormat, Jeremy's case is going to rise up and haunt all those who have taken part in this injustice and the truth will come out."
« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 08:34:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Is Jeremy Bamber Innocent?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2017, 08:54:PM »
The blood grouping evidence obtained by way of the examination of the 'Sound Moderator' (DRB/1) may have been effected by the 'superglue' technique, used to fingerprint the silencer on 23rd August 1985, by 'Ron' Cook, at Sandridge police Research centre as indicated by the contents of the attached report, addressed to DCS 'Mick' Ainsley..

'Chemical reaction is likely to effect bloodgrouping results'..

Cook took the 'Sound Moderator' to the Lab' at Huntingdon, on 13th August 1985. It was provisionally examined by Glynis Howard, who found insufficient blood for grouping purposes! Then on 15th August 1985, Cook fingerprinted the silencer and other items, by flouresent light source. He carried out a further fingerprint test of the silencer and other items on the 23rd August 1985 using 'superglue treatment' (Cynoacrylate fumes)! Then on the 29th August 1985, Cook dismantled the 'Sound Moderator' and rebuilt it, screwing the rebuilt 'Sound Moderator' directly onto the external thread on the end of the anshuzt rifle, exposing the 'Sound Moderator to contamination from blood on the thread of the gun which by a process of dynamic tension could possibly be forced back into the baffle plates of the 'Sound Moderator'. Cook then claims he resubmitted the 'Sound Moderator' back to the lab' at Huntingdon, for the attention of the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher, who on 12th September 1985, dismantled the 'Sound Moderator' Cook had resubmitted and he discovered a flake of dried blood, he says that was trapped between the first two baffle plates, which he forwarded to the blood expert (John Hayward) that same date! Hayward made the flake into a solution and various parts of this solution were checked for blood groupings!

The problem here, is that in Cooks report (attached) he claims that the 'Sound Moderator' was examined at the lab' (13th August 1985) and blood grouping results obtained (not true) before or prior to him having exposed the 'Sound Moderator' to the harmful chemicals of 'Superglue Treatment' (23rd August 1985) which he knows can adversely effect blood grouping results! The crucial flake was not recovered from the 'Sound Moderator' until after (12th September 1985) Cook had exposed it and the rifle to superglue treatment. Cook brought this to the attention of DCS 'Mick' Ainsley who was put in charge of the fresh investigation, and he asked that it be brought to the attention of counsel dealing with the case in Crown Court! But the Cops and Counsel for the prosecution kept silent about this matter! They did not alert either the blood experts, or the defence, or the court which tried the matter that it was a known scientific fact that any blood grouping results obtained from an item which has been exposed to superglue treatment may be adversely effected, and deemed unreliable!

The court was therefore deceived into accepting that there was no mistaking the blood grouping results obtained from the 'Sound Moderator', despite these being obtained from inside the silencer after it had been exposed to superglue treatment! 
« Last Edit: July 30, 2017, 09:40:PM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2017, 10:43:PM »
So they got a print from the right ring finger of Sheila's. Could this possibly have explained the mark, scratch or scrape on her hand as Jeremy thrust the weapon into her hand?

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 11:56:AM »
So they got a print from the right ring finger of Sheila's. Could this possibly have explained the mark, scratch or scrape on her hand as Jeremy thrust the weapon into her hand?

Sheila's print was found on the wooden butt of the anshuzt rifle, and I believe another on the barrel, of the same rifle, the shotgun and the BSA .22 air rifle!!

Furthermore, cops thrust Sheila's hand onto the anshuzt rifle when they staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor..
« Last Edit: July 31, 2017, 11:57:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2017, 04:06:PM »
Sheila's print was found on the wooden butt of the anshuzt rifle, and I believe another on the barrel, of the same rifle, the shotgun and the BSA .22 air rifle!!

Furthermore, cops thrust Sheila's hand onto the anshuzt rifle when they staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor..
The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2017, 05:16:PM »
The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?

But if Jeremy did it why were his prints not on it as well he has not need to wipe them off ?

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2017, 05:33:PM »
But if Jeremy did it why were his prints not on it as well he has not need to wipe them off ?
He had to wipe them off because Nevill's prints got on the weapon alongside during the struggle in the kitchen.

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2017, 05:38:PM »
The document is hard to read. What's the reason for only the one fingerprint of Sheila's if she shot four people and held Nevill at bay with the firearm?

Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?

Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2017, 05:43:PM »
Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?

Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?

And where is all the blood and evidence of the beating ?

Still have seen no statements from Montgomery ?

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2017, 05:43:PM »
Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?

Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?
They admit to not wearing gloves, but to moving the Anschutz "using the sling fittings on the butt and under the barrel".

Jeremy had to wipe the gun after Nevill's fingerprints got on the rifle during the kitchen struggle.

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2017, 05:45:PM »
Where are all the fingerprints from the handling of that rifle after cops removed it from the box room window and staged it on heila Caffells body - we have PI Montgomery saying he's handled it and removed it from the body! We've had DI 'Ron' Cook saying he removed it from the body! And we have PS Woodcock saying he removed it from Sheila'a body! What about the people who placed it on her body after and during the performance of 'informatives'? Where are all these peoples fingerprints?

Why aren't Jeremy Bambers fingerprints all over the rifle if he was the killer?

What person with any sense commits a crime gloveless? No one wants to tell the police of their presence there, surely?

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2017, 05:46:PM »
They admit to not wearing gloves, but to moving the Anschutz "using the sling fittings on the butt and under the barrel".

Jeremy had to wipe the gun after Nevill's fingerprints got on the rifle during the kitchen struggle.

Why would Bamber do that ?  It would be no secret there was a huge kitchen fight. He didn't try to hide evidence of a fight in the kitchen when staging the scene. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 05:47:PM »
What person with any sense commits a crime gloveless? No one wants to tell the police of their presence there, surely?

Why bother ? His prints would be on the gun anyway ?

Do we have any information on whether the gun would be difficult to load and fire with gloves on ?

No fibres found on the gun either ?

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2017, 05:49:PM »
I suppose Bamber could have tried to disguise the fact that Nevill wrestled over the rifle.

Nevill would have used his 8 stone & 9 inch weight advantage in any wrestling match to instantly negate Sheila.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2017, 05:50:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2017, 05:50:PM »
Why would Bamber do that ?  It would be no secret there was a huge kitchen fight. He didn't try to hide evidence of a fight in the kitchen when staging the scene.

I am worried , I am agreeing with Adam


Not about the staging , but if it was Jeremy it would suit his story to have his prints Sheila's and evidence of the fight which was allegedly set up to make it look like sheila?