could jermy have walked to whf.

[Jan]

Sheila must have been in the one tenth of one percent of cigar smokers in the 80's.

'About 2 percent of U.S. women say they smoke cigars, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, but that's about 3.2 million women. (In the 1980s, Cigar Aficionado reported, market research showed that women comprised only one-tenth of one percent of the total U.S. cigar'.

And? Your point is ?

[Jane]

Maggie
Jeremy used to swap potatoes from the farm for meals in his local pub
That is far from being flash and showed he was careful with money hence why he had considerable savings when he was arrested

Rubbish! It's called "doing business", pure and simple. The bartering system has been in use for eons and in existence long before money as we know it. The publican got free spuds. Jeremy got free grub. Everyone happy.....................except perhaps for Nevill, who probably DIDN'T get paid but possibly wrote it off as another of Jeremy's perks. I seem to recall that you told Steve he knew nothing about family businesses? Pot? Kettle? Hmm.

[maggie]

Maggie
Jeremy used to swap potatoes from the farm for meals in his local pub
That is far from being flash and showed he was careful with money hence why he had considerable savings when he was arrested

Jackie think you have misunderstood my post which I admit was a bit unclear. I was questioning the integrity of Michael Deckers, not JB. 
Some quote Michael Deckers comments about JB as gospel but he was just a guy who repeated some comments JB allegedly said to him.  They were latched onto to prove points against JB, they may or may not be true.

[maggie]

No, I just forgot.

Harry, you do seem to have slipped through the net, it is required that all members introduce themselves in the Foyer before posting.
Would you please do this before posting again.
Better late than never.  Thank you.
Thanks to Steve for pointing this out.

[Adam]

And? Your point is ?

The point is Sheila was in the one tenth of 1% of women who smoked cigars in the 80's.

But as you said her social worker said she smoked cigars & it says this somewhere in CAL's book.

[JackieD]

Jackie think you have misunderstood my post which I admit was a bit unclear. I was questioning the integrity of Michael Deckers, not JB. 
Some quote Michael Deckers comments about JB as gospel but he was just a guy who repeated some comments JB allegedly said to him.  They were latched onto to prove points against JB, they may or may not be true.

Sorry Maggie I wasn't haven't a go at you just pointing out a fact that Jeremy was careful with his money

[Caroline]

Jackie think you have misunderstood my post which I admit was a bit unclear. I was questioning the integrity of Michael Deckers, not JB. 
Some quote Michael Deckers comments about JB as gospel but he was just a guy who repeated some comments JB allegedly said to him.  They were latched onto to prove points against JB, they may or may not be true.

Quite a few people repeated comments said to them by Jeremy Bamber, they can't all be wrong and Jeremy right? He doesn't seem to have had any close friends that were willing to come forward and say 'hang on, Jeremy was a great guy' - I find that unusual. There were certainly more people willing to believe he could have murdered his family than not and to me, that can't be ignored.

[Caroline]

Empirical evidence suggests this is not the case.

It's not really his own money that's in question (although he did like to splash the cash), it's other people's money that he wasn't careful with and seemed to have a sense of entitlement.

[Jane]

It's not really his own money that's in question (although he did like to splash the cash), it's other people's money that he wasn't careful with and seemed to have a sense of entitlement.

As I said, Caroline, the pub got spuds, Jeremy got grub, Nevill, who owned the spuds, got sweet FA

[Jan]

Quite a few people repeated comments said to them by Jeremy Bamber, they can't all be wrong and Jeremy right? He doesn't seem to have had any close friends that were willing to come forward and say 'hang on, Jeremy was a great guy' - I find that unusual. There were certainly more people willing to believe he could have murdered his family than not and to me, that can't be ignored.

Do you mean in court or subsequently as I don't think you can just volunteer to appear in court on someones behalf?

[Jan]

Empirical evidence suggests this is not the case.

do you know whether he had savings or not then ? Or how much?

[Jan]

he did not need to save to buy a house did he because he had a good wage and free accommodation .

[maggie]

Quite a few people repeated comments said to them by Jeremy Bamber, they can't all be wrong and Jeremy right? He doesn't seem to have had any close friends that were willing to come forward and say 'hang on, Jeremy was a great guy' - I find that unusual. There were certainly more people willing to believe he could have murdered his family than not and to me, that can't be ignored.

I know plenty of people had opinions and repeated comments they claimed were said by JB.   I am not saying they're all lies and Jeremy Bamber is whiter than white.  My point is that these are unproven comments and statements, very possibly out of context so they are really not evidence to prove anyone guilty or innocent.
I am trying to be fair, there are myths and assumptions etc on both sides of the argument and I think both should be recognised.

[Steve_uk]

Your being convinced mean absolutely nothing
Who on this forum cares about your biased opinions

Getting back to the title of this thread-Jackie do you accept:

1) Jeremy has no convincing alibi for the crime.

2) He had disagreements with both parents before the crimes, parents he now eulogizes to those who will listen.

3) He was familiar with firearms in a way Sheila wasn't.

4) He had a money motive in all five deaths.

[susan]

Getting back to the title of this thread-Jackie do you accept:

1) Jeremy has no convincing alibi for the crime.

2) He had disagreements with both parents before the crimes, parents he now eulogizes to those who will listen.

3) He was familiar with firearms in a way Sheila wasn't.

4) He had a money motive in all five deaths.

Hi steve It is my understanding that both Jeremy and Sheila had disagreements with their parents suppose most of us have at some stage of our lives.  Jeremy had no control over the situation if Sheila did murder her family and he was at home sleeping in his bed nobody has proof this was not true.  The shootings IMO were random shots made by a shooter not too familiar with guns but they knew the basics.  Sheila was only in the will for £10,000 and twins were not mentioned so if Jeremy was the person committing the murders he did not need to kill them all just his Mum and Dad all so sad.