could jermy have walked to whf.

[Jan]

Sheila smoked cigars ? A cigar would not make those marks.

Bamber agrees those marks were caused on the night. It was part of his 2012 appeal.

Yes she did , and how do you know what would make those marks it was never even established if they were made on the night ?

[JackieD]

We ALL -OK, some of us- know people who knew Jeremy before his conviction. I guess they all have different views of him.

Of course we do and a lot of them are completely impartial with no agenda and they certainly don't spend 24/7 on forums

[JackieD]

It must be in Ann Eaton's statement somewhere-quite a long statement if I recall correctly.

Oh if it's in Anne Eatons statement it must be true

[JackieD]

I don't know this person but have been in contact with them and they knew him for sometime before the event .

That's good Jan, an honest opinion from someone without an agenda

[JackieD]

Yes interesting that June had registered land in Jeremy's name .

An investment for him?

She obviously adored him

[Jan]

But he wound people up on several occasions, which was his hallmark and modus operandi. The fact that Julie couldn't read him led to the tragedy.

He wound people up ?

Or perhaps people embellished what he said ?

Why would Anne be so upset about something that basically was not really any of her business

[JackieD]

She was probably trying to even things out in her own mind after arranging to provide a £3000 per annum allowance for Sheila.

Probably again Steve??? You just don't know
He was her only son who she obviously adored
Simple as that

[Jan]

A remark of Ann Eaton struck me that Jeremy told her his parents had had an offer from the Henry Smith trustees (or was it an outside body?) to buy them out: wouldn't this have been a solution to everyone's woes? Nevill couldn't go on working forever and let's face it they had already made their money. June offered to buy Sheila an antiques shop in the locality but no similar offer was made to Jeremy-a wine bar for instance and not the busman's holiday of a piece of land adjoining Little Rentners Farm.

There was talk about changes by Jeremy to Anne but I don't think involved trustees?

Perhaps this came from a book?

[Adam]

Yes she did , and how do you know what would make those marks it was never even established if they were made on the night ?

Have you got a source that Sheila smoked cigars ? Not that it makes any difference. Of course a cigar wouldn't make those marks. Bamber & the COA say it is from the rifle.

But feel free to disagree.

[Adam]

She obviously adored him

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book - 

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box. 

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'. 

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'. 

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. 

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'. 

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'. 

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'. 

                                     -------------

It's a pity Bamber didn't adore June.

[JackieD]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

                                     -------------

It's a pity Bamber didn't adore June.

Adam you are aware that Julie Mugford was a prolific liar and an amazing actress to behave in the way she did around Colin

[Jan]

Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

                                     -------------

It's a pity Bamber didn't adore June.

That's ridiculous . He was in and out of the house everyday and you know very well about the letter June wrote to be opened in the event of her death .

Try reading statements from people who were actually close to the house hold such as Barbara's first statement .

[Adam]

Adam you are aware that Julie Mugford was a prolific liar and an amazing a tree to behave in the way she did around Colin

The testimony is from Mary Mugford.

[Jan]

The testimony is from Mary Mugford.

But according to Barbara's original statement it was not true was it?

[Adam]

But according to Barbara's original statement it was not true was it?

Wasn't it ?

Do you think Mary Mugford lied under oath ?