Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[lookout]

Getting personal now Lookout? Must have hit another chord!  Anyone who believes that Julie's husband would confide in a complete stranger involved with the CT, is naive to say the least!

Your posts are personal too,but done in a subtle sneaky sort of a way with plenty of laughs to cover up the fact that what you post is meant.
How many times do  have to tell you that although this person supports the CT,he's completely independent of them when he does his investigating.

[Caroline]

Your posts are personal too,but done in a subtle sneaky sort of a way with plenty of laughs to cover up the fact that what you post is meant.
How many times do  have to tell you that although this person supports the CT,he's completely independent of them when he does his investigating.

No, not sneaky, I just wouldn't bother busting a blood vessel debating with anyone here  .

As many times as you like - it STILL idle gossip!

[lookout]

No, not sneaky, I just wouldn't bother busting a blood vessel debating with anyone here  .

As many times as you like - it STILL idle gossip!

Says/hopes you. I'm so glad I'm not a pessimist.

[Caroline]

Says/hopes you. I'm so glad I'm not a pessimist.

I don't need to hope - I know it's billhooks!

[lookout]

I don't need to hope - I know it's billhooks!

No explanation as to how you know,then ?

[Caroline]

No explanation as to how you know,then ?

Just told you, there is no way that Julie's husband would discuss such things with a complete stranger.

[lookout]

Just told you, there is no way that Julie's husband would discuss such things with a complete stranger.

Wrong.

[Caroline]

Wrong.

You believe what you like Lookout but it didn't happen.

[lookout]

You believe what you like Lookout but it didn't happen.

It did too.

[Caroline]

It did too.

 

[Kaldin]

I'd like to go back to the neck wound, specifically the second one. I cant remember where I've seen this discussed on here, so I'll do it here.

Re the smear on the second wound, the fatal one, how did it get there? It's been said that it could have been made by a thumb, but whose thumb? Not Sheilas obviously. Jeremy's thumb? Why would he have touched the wound and smeared the blood? It must have happened straight after the shot because there is a flow of blood superimposed over the smear. Anyone touching that wound must have done so within a nano-second of the shot.

Someone suggested that the smear was made by the gun. I find that feasible, but was there any blood on the end of the rifle? Was there enough blood on the end of the moderator to account for it?

[Kaldin]

From the appeal document:

The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon.

Could that blood in the region of the fore-sight have come from the second wound? That would mean that the silencer was not on the rifle when Sheila was shot though.

[lookout]

I've always thought that the second shot came in quick succession after the first because of the initial shock/trauma of the first one the second which involved the main vein hadn't pumped the amount of blood which you'd expect from the jugular vein.
 Although the first one hit the carotid artery and not a vein,the blood would have gathered rather than pumped,as shown in her neck swelling,so I think that Sheila was semi-conscious or unconcsious after the first,allowing the sensitive setting on the rifle to repeat the second fatal shot.
I would have expected to have seen a bloodbath which indicates to me that her death was instant, combining the first shot with the second,i.e two shots in succession.
Sheila would not have been mobile after the first shot IMHO.

[Kaldin]

I've always thought that the second shot came in quick succession after the first because of the initial shock/trauma of the first one the second which involved the main vein hadn't pumped the amount of blood which you'd expect from the jugular vein.
 Although the first one hit the carotid artery and not a vein,the blood would have gathered rather than pumped,as shown in her neck swelling,so I think that Sheila was semi-conscious or unconcsious after the first,allowing the sensitive setting on the rifle to repeat the second fatal shot.
I would have expected to have seen a bloodbath which indicates to me that her death was instant, combining the first shot with the second,i.e two shots in succession.
Sheila would not have been mobile after the first shot IMHO.

Before the first shot she must have been sitting up and leaning slightly to her right  because the blood went down her nightdress. That might not have been for very long, but long enough to cause that blood staining.

It's interesting that there's not an obvious trail of blood leading from the first wound to the blood on her nightdress, but there is a very subtle hint of it.

For the second shot I think she must have been lying down with her head flat on the floor tilted to the right because of the cabinet, and slightly back. The blood from that wound went down the right side of her neck. The trail of blood from the first wound ended up going in the same direction, which puzzles me a bit. Why was she still bleeding from the first shot after she was dead, and what happened to the trail of blood going from the wound to her nightdress?

Re the smear on the second wound, how do you think that got there?

[lookout]

Before the first shot she must have been sitting up and leaning slightly to her right  because the blood went down her nightdress. That might not have been for very long, but long enough to cause that blood staining.

It's interesting that there's not an obvious trail of blood leading from the first wound to the blood on her nightdress, but there is a very subtle hint of it.

For the second shot I think she must have been lying down with her head flat on the floor tilted to the right because of the cabinet, and slightly back. The blood from that wound went down the right side of her neck. The trail of blood from the first wound ended up going in the same direction, which puzzles me a bit. Why was she still bleeding from the first shot after she was dead, and what happened to the trail of blood going from the wound to her nightdress?

Re the smear on the second wound, how do you think that got there?

The reason that blood would have been seen from the first shot is that both the carotid artery and the jugular vein are " inter-connected " . Both " orifices " would have contained a collection of blood which would have still flowed to some extent but not pumped. 

The smear could possibly have been the gun,or because Sheila hadn't been deceased for any length of time, a human touch in that area to feel for a pulse ?