Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Jane]

Correct Susan.He offers no explanation whatsoever about the " patterns " of the markings. Not even a suggestion of cigar burns on Neville-----------nothing. Everything's " unexplained " which is a favourite of any doctor who's unwilling to put unspecified marks under a microscope.

Perhaps he didn't think it was done by a cigar? In which case he was perfectly correct in not mentioning it. I guess what he considered to be insignificant wasn't worth mention.

[Roch]

Such irony. You accuse me of not being able to think for myself, but by so doing you point to the fact that in order to draw such a conclusion, you have to parrot another.

Are you SO desperate to see Jeremy released, whatever it takes, that you're prepared to suck up the story of the police shooting her TWICE?!!!

I have never said they did. It's not my fault that you completely misinterpret my posts. I have an open mind regarding what took place. What I have consistently posted since March is that you can have a guilty Jeremy but it must be within a scenario where Sheila was the main protagonist in the killings.

[Jane]

I have never said they did. It's not my fault that you completely misinterpret my posts. I have an open mind regarding what took place. What I have consistently posted since March is that you can have a guilty Jeremy but it must be within a scenario where Sheila was the main protagonist in the killings.

OK. Supposing I accept that. Provide me with what could have led up to Sheila -if you insist on her being "the main protagonist"- bearing in mind her fragile mental health and her love of her boys, managed to coerce Jeremy into joining her on a killing spree. And please don't insult my intelligence by saying it's not for you to say. If you believe it happened that way, it didn't just come out of the ether,. It has background.

[lookout]

Women who kill their children do it out of love and not hate.

[Jane]

Women who kill their children do it out of love and not hate.

The majority of women don't kill.

[Roch]

OK. Supposing I accept that. Provide me with what could have led up to Sheila -if you insist on her being "the main protagonist"- bearing in mind her fragile mental health and her love of her boys, managed to coerce Jeremy into joining her on a killing spree. And please don't insult my intelligence by saying it's not for you to say. If you believe it happened that way, it didn't just come out of the ether,. It has background.

I will gladly reply as soon as I've finished my chores. 

[David1819]

They are injuries and I have offered to bet money on it (precisely because I know they are injuries).

Blood is not going to transfer to her hand  one second and then dry and collect the very next second approximately two to three inches from where it transferred. Nobody has satisfactorily explained how it transferred. Not even Vanezis. He bluffed it out. 

The dark spots at various places on her arm  are not the end of blood trails.  They are the source.

Consider this, she has cuts to the skin on her upper arm which are completely independent of any run, trail or smear.  How likely is it that she has cuts to her upper arm but the marks on her mid and lower arm are merely where the blood has suddenly stopped and become congealed as it dries?  She has other wounds also - not even mentioned on here.  Besides, I don't believe you and others couldn't recognise the gouge/scrapes on the back of her hand or the angled cut on her lower forefinger.

I strongly recommend you look at the blood runs on Sheila's face via her mouth and nostrils. They look identical to what is on her arm. Because they are.

There is no evidence any serious fight broke out. The mess was caused by raid team and Nevill was too badly injured from the first three shots to put up such a fight.

[lookout]

The majority of women don't kill.

Those who do,kill out of love for their children----------read up !!

[Jane]

Those who do,kill out of love for their children----------read up !!

I'm sure some do, however, unless a suicide note -to that effect- is left, there really isn't any way of knowing.

[lookout]

I'm sure some do, however, unless a suicide note -to that effect- is left, there really isn't any way of knowing.

There isn't always a suicide note as most are carried out on speck/spur of the moment. 

[Caroline]

He's crooked. He concealed her wounds. I'm not sure where gall comes in to it.  He doesn't mention some of June's wounds either.  If all three adults have fight wounds, the prosecution case can't even get off the ground in a courtroom.  Join the dots.

You have joined the dots but made your own picture. He doesn't mention ANY such injuries in his notes that were written on the day of the autopsy and long BEFORE Jeremy was ever a suspect. These are the dots you have missed out.

[Jane]

There isn't always a suicide note as most are carried out on speck/spur of the moment.

Which makes difficult sorting out which mothers kill out of love.

I have no doubt that Sheila loved her boys. I wonder why that might be? When I think about it, it's only because I've been told/read that she loved them. The reality, though, is that those who have never experienced maternal love being demonstrated, often don't know how to give it. Sheila had experienced such lack, not once, but twice. I can't help but wonder if she may have craved babies of her own, but not had a clue how to deal with them when they arrived?

[Steve_uk]

Which makes difficult sorting out which mothers kill out of love.

I have no doubt that Sheila loved her boys. I wonder why that might be? When I think about it, it's only because I've been told/read that she loved them. The reality, though, is that those who have never experienced maternal love being demonstrated, often don't know how to give it. Sheila had experienced such lack, not once, but twice. I can't help but wonder if she may have craved babies of her own, but not had a clue how to deal with them when they arrived?

You could tell from the picture that she was exhausted after the birth. I wonder if she was on medication even then?

[Caroline]

They are injuries and I have offered to bet money on it (precisely because I know they are injuries).

Blood is not going to transfer to her hand  one second and then dry and collect the very next second approximately two to three inches from where it transferred. Nobody has satisfactorily explained how it transferred. Not even Vanezis. He bluffed it out. 

The dark spots at various places on her arm  are not the end of blood trails.  They are the source.

Consider this, she has cuts to the skin on her upper arm which are completely independent of any run, trail or smear.  How likely is it that she has cuts to her upper arm but the marks on her mid and lower arm are merely where the blood has suddenly stopped and become congealed as it dries?  She has other wounds also - not even mentioned on here.  Besides, I don't believe you and others couldn't recognise the gouge/scrapes on the back of her hand or the angled cut on her lower forefinger.

That's how trail work. Blood trails but finds a point at which it stops collects and congeals. He's an example of that happening - consider this a sacrifice for the greater good! (I'm so brave!) 

Just to clarify, the dark spots are the END of the blood trails!

[Jane]

You could tell from the picture that she was exhausted after the birth. I wonder if she was on medication even then?

Most new mothers are exhausted after giving birth to ONE baby -it's usually followed by exhilaration- but she must have felt terrified by the thought of coping with TWO, especially if she lacked the emotional tools to cope. She couldn't turn to June because I imagine she had less than Sheila -although I guess her practical help (financial?!) was welcome. One can only hope that Colin's mother was more 'natural' when it came to caring for babies.