Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[mike tesko]

The evidence is the silencer was on the rifle.

But agree if it wasn't, Sheila could have shot herself.

Hang on a minute!

First of all, Sheila did not shoot herself! Secondly, Jeremy Bamber did not shoot her! Thirdly, as demonstrated during the 'Birdwell Armoury' experiments, Sheila could have shot herself technically with the silencer fitted to the end of the anshuzt rifles barrel, it was not too long so as to exclude several different ways of her shooting herself with the silencer fixed!

The key issue, was not whether she could have shot herself with the silencer fitted, but rather 'who took the silencer off'?

Cops took the silencer off when Sheila's death scene was staged during 'informatives', then later that same morning, DS 'Stan' Jones returned to the farmhouse to seize it ('SBJ/1'), its documented that he did...

On that very same occasion, 'Stan' Jones seized or took three other exhibits, bearing his identyfying marks, 'SBJ/2', 'SBJ/3', and 'SBJ/4'...

[Jane]

Ambulances were requested once the '999' open line call from the scene to the operator was patched through to the control room! Up until 5.47am, the phone inside the farmhouse kitchen was 'off the hook'! At that time,however, it became mysteriously 'engaged', and the operator patched the call through to the control room at 6.05am...

Ambulances requested, Sheila admitted she had shot and possibly killed the other victims during that call!!

Oooh! So now, after all these years, SUDDENLY we have Sheila  speaking!! Actually IN CONVERSATION!!! TELLING someone that "she had shot and possibly killed the other victims". Was she told -and by WHOM- not to worry? To go and make herself a cup of tea whilst she was waiting?

[mike tesko]

Oooh! So now, after all these years, SUDDENLY we have Sheila  speaking!! Actually IN CONVERSATION!!! TELLING someone that "she had shot and possibly killed the other victims". Was she told -and by WHOM- not to worry? To go and make herself a cup of tea whilst she was waiting?

A 999 call to the operator was switched to the control room by way of the '999' open line system, read the facts before you try to be sarcastic! Its all documented...

[mike tesko]

A 999 call to the operator was switched to the control room by way of the '999' open line system, read the facts before you try to be sarcastic! Its all documented...

Some of the guilters choose to deliberately ignore the documented facts!

[mike tesko]

At 3.42am, the phone in the kitchen at the scene was 'off the hook'! It remained in that state, until 5.47am, when it mysteriously became 'engaged'! At 6.05am, the operator 'switched the call via the open 999 system to the control room'...

Nothing could be any clearer!

Ambulances were summoned to the scene!

Why else would Sheila make a '999' call to the operator at 5.47am?

[mike tesko]

The prosecution of Jeremy Bamber as the killer of his sister is 'fraudulent'!!!

[Jane]

A 999 call to the operator was switched to the control room by way of the '999' open line system, read the facts before you try to be sarcastic! Its all documented...

I'm waiting with bated breath to read a WS in which it's said that Sheila Caffell told them in her own words that she'd shot and killed her entire family. I don't imagine I'm the only one.

[Caroline]

At 3.42am, the phone in the kitchen at the scene was 'off the hook'! It remained in that state, until 5.47am, when it mysteriously became 'engaged'! At 6.05am, the operator 'switched the call via the open 999 system to the control room'...

Nothing could be any clearer!

Ambulances were summoned to the scene!

Why else would Sheila make a '999' call to the operator at 5.47am?

She didn't.

[Caroline]

Some of the guilters choose to deliberately ignore the documented facts!

No we don't because if that were a fact which is documented and in the public domain, we wouldn't be sitting here arguing the toss.

[guest7363]

At 3.42am, the phone in the kitchen at the scene was 'off the hook'! It remained in that state, until 5.47am, when it mysteriously became 'engaged'! At 6.05am, the operator 'switched the call via the open 999 system to the control room'...

Nothing could be any clearer!

Ambulances were summoned to the scene!

Why else would Sheila make a '999' call to the operator at 5.47am?

Why would she call an ambulance when everyone was dead, esp if you had killed everyone?  The ambulance was called by someone who didn't know if there was wounded or dead or what inside the house.

[mike tesko]

The prosecution of Jeremy Bamber as the killer of his sister is 'fraudulent'!!!

For this not to be true, you would have to accept that the contradictions with the body count downstairs (2) and upstairs (3) in accordance with the contemporaneously recorded police message logs were somehow mistakenly recorded, that bullet PV/20 was never a whole bullet and that the ballistic expert made a mistake in calling a badly fragmented bullet a whole one, and that WPC Jeapes and PC Brown were mistaken in seeing a rifle at the first floor box room window! Cops were mistaken in reporting Sheila's death downstairs in the kitchen as a suicide! Mistaken in calling her death 'a suicide' in second position in the sequence of the discovery of the five bodies, her body being found third in the grand sequence of the events! Cops didnn't stage Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor! There was never 358 photographs deliberately withheld! Cops did not falsify the photographic records! On and on, a catelog of discrepancies, all put down to basic mistakes! Nobody turning lights on and off inside the farmhouse! Nobody opening and closing curtains at windows! Nobody inside the farmhouse engaged in a conversation with firearm officers! No silhoetted figure at the bedroom window which caused PS Bews to shit in his britches! No boy on the bed with only a single shot! No rifle on the body at various stages prior to 10am! There wwere no informatives where senior officers staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor! There wasn't two separate SOCO teams taking photographs and video footage in the main bedroom at different stages of investigation! There was only one silencer and nobody tampered with its exhibit reference, with it being contaminated with blood and paint, and nobody deliberately scratched the kitchen aga! On and on, an endless list of discrepancies and contradictions, all simple mistakes, according to the guilty camp!

[Jane]

A 999 call to the operator was switched to the control room by way of the '999' open line system, read the facts before you try to be sarcastic! Its all documented...

EVEN were that true, there's no documentation saying an alleged 999 call was made by Sheila Caffell who admitted to having shot and killed her family, and would they please send ambulances.

[mike tesko]

She didn't.

You don't know that!

Somebody made that call, because the state of the telephone changed at that time, from previously being 'off the hook' (3.42am, onwards, to 'becoming engaged' at 5.47am, a call which at 6.05am was patched through to the control room by the female operator using the '999' open line system, an eavesdrop which lasted until 7.47am, and which enabled staff in the control room to overhear the shooting incident in the kitchen, and the so called 'suicide' of Sheila at and by 7.45am, which enabled 'LINDA' to contact DS Davidson at his home address requesting him to come on duty to the office, because police were dealing with an incident at whf, involving two bodies, a murder, and 'a suicide' - then the '999' open line link got terminated two minutes later after only two bodies had been located and identified (Neville Bamber, and Sheila Caffell)...

[mike tesko]

No we don't because if that were a fact which is documented and in the public domain, we wouldn't be sitting here arguing the toss.

It is documented in the public domain that the phone in the kitchen was 'off the hook' from 3.42am, onward! It is in the public domain, that at 5.47am, the phone became mysteriously 'engaged'! It is in the public domain that at 6.05am, the operator patched the call in question through to the control room via the '999' open line system! Which other call did the operator patch through to the control room using the '999' open line system? Are you suggesting it was another different call? The 'off the hook' kitchen phone, became mysteriously 'engaged', at 5.47am, and it was this call which the operator patched through to the control room at 6.05am! There was no other call from the farmhouse after the 5.47am, one, other than at around 8.15am, when DCI Harris used the kitchen phone to call ACC 'Peter' Simpson to update him regarding the whereabouts of Sheila Caffell whose body had gone AWOL from the kitchen scene after 8.10am!

[mike tesko]

No cop is that clever that when they falsify evidence no-one can reconstruct what they have done, or what they did!