Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Jane]

Its utterly amazing that these relatives should kick up a fuss because they believed Sheila could not have been responsible, yet when faced with speaking out about what cops told them, for example, that Sheila's and Junes bodies had been found on the bed with the rifle on the bed, they choose to stay silent because to speak out damages the prosecutions case that got them what they wanted! Why isn't Ann Eaton screaming from the roof tops that Sheila's and Junes bodies were on top of the bed when Jones and Clark visited the main bedroom at about 9.10am, or that Sheila had only been shot once by that stage?

So imagine that your entire family had just been slaughtered. Are you trying to tell us that your mind would be clear enough to make rational and intelligent judgement calls within minutes of being told?

[mike tesko]

I'm not making an argument.

The trouble with your argument is that people would be required to accept your assertions on face value alone. Unfortunately there is usually a pinch or two of salt not too far away.

Sheila was on the bed, before cops moved her body to the floor! Ann Eaton was told that by Jones and Clark! Sheila had only been shot once by that stage! The rifle was on the bed inbetween the bodies of Sheila and June! There was a bible on top of Sheila's chest! Now, which part don't you understand?

How can Jeremy have shot and killed his sister on the bedroom floor, and staged her death scene there as a suicide afterwards? Why isn't Ann Eaton and the other relatives kicking off about these very serious anomalies in the police and the CPS case?

[Jan]

Hopefully someone else will answer my question I asked Jan in reply 739.

I thought Colin's girlfriend had offered and I am sure there were others available it did not have to be done specifically on that day . And it was not necessary for one person to identify all of the bodies.

If you have read Colin's book you will see there was a wide circle of family and friends who knew the twins very well.

[mike tesko]

So imagine that your entire family had just been slaughtered. Are you trying to tell us that your mind would be clear enough to make rational and intelligent judgement calls within minutes of being told?

Why isn't Ann Eaton questioning the scenario that cops found Sheila's body on the bedroom floor in possession of the anshuzt rifle, when she knows full well that Stan Jones, and Mick Clark told her at Jeremys cottage that the twins were found shot in their beds, that Neville Bamber was found in the kitchen shot, and that the bodies of Sheila and June were found on top of the bed in the main bedroom, with the rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies, and Sheila had a bible on her chest? Surely, she must have realised when the case came to trial that cops and the prosecution were claiming that Sheila had been found on the bedroom floor in possession of a rifle, which Ann Eaton and all the other relatives had been informed was totally bonkers, inaccurate and untrue!

[Roch]

we can see blood staining to her wrist and a small stain on the back of her index finger

What you are attempting to describe here, are actually three 'blobs' of congealed blood, each being adjacent to (or incorporating) corresponding areas of broken skin. From the three visible congealed blobs, there are dappled runs of blood which appear to phase out on the underside of her wrist.  A fourth area of broken skin (closest to her hand) has produced a lesser dappled run of blood - but unlike the other three, there is no congealed blob.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'back' - but mark on the side if her index finger is an angled cut with a specific shape - almost rhomboid in nature.

[Jane]

Sheila was on the bed, before cops moved her body to the floor! Ann Eaton was told that by Jones and Clark! Sheila had only been shot once by that stage! The rifle was on the bed inbetween the bodies of Sheila and June! There was a bible on top of Sheila's chest! Now, which part don't you understand?

How can Jeremy have shot and killed his sister on the bedroom floor, and staged her death scene there as a suicide afterwards? Why isn't Ann Eaton and the other relatives kicking off about these very serious anomalies in the police and the CPS case?

You can go on saying that till the cows come home, but the bottom line is that, as there are no pictures -other than those you claim to have seen, but no one else has- and the policemen in question haven't produced witness statements to that effect, very few are likely to believe it. Would you believe evidence that you hadn't seen?

[Adam]

I thought Colin's girlfriend had offered and I am sure there were others available it did not have to be done specifically on that day . And it was not necessary for one person to identify all of the bodies.

If you have read Colin's book you will see there was a wide circle of family and friends who knew the twins very well.

You thought wrong. Unless you have a source.

The police wanted it done on that day. Julie was there and could tell the twins apart.

[Roch]

You can go on saying that till the cows come home, but the bottom line is that, as there are no pictures -other than those you claim to have seen, but no one else has- and the policemen in question haven't produced witness statements to that effect, very few are likely to believe it. Would you believe evidence that you hadn't seen?

To be fair, Mat (who claimed in some way to be linked or at least have inside info re the CCRC) posted on this forum that there was a photo of Sheila on the bed. He actually tried to describe it in a post. I'm not saying he was right and there is - however - he did concur with Mike that there was.

[Jan]

Except double quotes aren't present on that document. In the description column various codes are mentioned only two specifically relate to the nightdress, BOTH indicate that A blood type was discovered when tested. I have no idea what the other items relate to but they don't relate to the nightdress.

I don't quite see that

They are under and refer to exhibit 19

Otherwise another exhibit number would be in that section and there is more than one type of blood in the blood group column .

Are you saying they found another blood group on another exhibit and we are supposed to guess what exhibit number it is ?

[guest2181]

I don't quite see that

They are under and refer to exhibit 19

Otherwise another exhibit number would be in that section and there is more than one type of blood in the blood group column .

Are you saying they found another blood group on another exhibit and we are supposed to guess what exhibit number it is ?

Do you think they relate to blood serum testing as control tests to give validation?

[mike tesko]

It gets worse, because at 8.44am, the police surgeon, Dr Craig, reports Sheila's body 'on the far side of the bed', with the rifle 'laying alongside her body', and by 9am, we have PS Adams claiming he had no recollection of the gun being with Sheila's body when he visited the main bedroom, and then the Coroners Officer, PC Wright stating that when he arrived at the scene and viewed Sheila's body at 9.30am, the rifle had been removed from Sheila's body by that stage, yet by the time the second SOCO team (Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley) take control of the crime scene after 10am, the rifle is in Sheila Caffells possession on the bedroom floor! So, we need a proper explanation as to how the rifle which was resting against the first floor box room window at around 7.15am, ends up in the main bedroom by 8.44am, to be alongside Sheila Caffells body! We need an explanation of where the 'missing rifle' was at 9am when PS Adams viewed Sheila's body, and we need an explanation for why at around 9.10am when Jones and Clark viewed Sheila's body the rifle was on the bed inbetween both bodies (Sheila and June), and we need an explanation as to where at 9.30am, the rifle was when The Coroners officer, PC Wright, visited the main bedroom scenario, with the rifle having been removed from Sheila's body by that stage, and we need an explanation as to why DC Oakey and DC Henderson photographed the rifle leaning next to the main bedroom window as shown inphotograph no. 23, and we need an explanation as to how come after Oakey and Henderson took photograph no. 23, how the rifle then ended up on Sheila Caffells body with its barrell resting against the left side of her neck (as in photograph no. 26), and we then need an explanation as to how the position of that rifle was moved on the body of Sheila Caffell in time for PC Bird (after 10am) to photograph Sheila in possession of the rifle which was in a different position in photographs, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, etc, etc, and we need an explanation as to why the second SOCO team have falsely claimed that they took photographs of an 'undisturbed' body of Sheila Caffell in possession of the gun...

On and on the discrepancies go, a whole catelog of dishonesty and corruption at its worst!!

[mike tesko]

You can go on saying that till the cows come home, but the bottom line is that, as there are no pictures -other than those you claim to have seen, but no one else has- and the policemen in question haven't produced witness statements to that effect, very few are likely to believe it. Would you believe evidence that you hadn't seen?

You obviously support corrupt actions of the police and the CPS...

[guest2181]

Do you think they relate to blood serum testing as control tests to give validation?

I don't really understand it but you looked at this before and posted this:

well the bb numbers are to do with testing serum in the blood


"serum and see the following: .... BB1 BB2 BB3 BB4 BB5 BB6 BB7 BB8 BB9 BB10 BB11 BB12 BB13 BB14 BB15 BB16 BB17 BB18 BB19 BB20 BB21"


this is from an American site about blood grouping / proving parenthood etc.

[Jane]

I thought Colin's girlfriend had offered and I am sure there were others available it did not have to be done specifically on that day . And it was not necessary for one person to identify all of the bodies.

If you have read Colin's book you will see there was a wide circle of family and friends who knew the twins very well.

As you seem to be heaping the responsibility for the identifications onto Julie, I wonder just how much power you believe her to have wielded. True, Colin's girlfriend offered but the police thought she'd be of more use staying with Colin. There probably "were others available". Did they come forward? Who says "it did not have to be done specifically that day"? Who says "it was not necessary for one person to identify all of the bodies"? Did Julie have to identify ALL the bodies or just the children? Whilst it's true that Colin had "a wide circle of family and friends who knew the twins very well" I imagine they all lived in and around London so weren't exactly on the spot. Even if they had been, how do you know they'd have volunteered their services? It's no good whinging about what Julie shouldn't have done. I don't imagine the police wanted the formalities hanging around and Julie was there. She didn't have to be transported from out of county. In the absence of other suitable candidates, Julie was considered good enough. 

[mike tesko]

Sheila Caffells death scene was staged by some of the most wicked, evil, senior Essex police detectives and police officers - the lot of them are 'scum of the earth'!!!