Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Jan]

You did ask.

It is published evidence. A lot from the COA.

Bamber has not disputed most of this. Thread created.

How can he dispute the items IF HE WAS NOT THERE !

How does he know what was going on in the house ?

[Adam]

That is pure assumption . She could have said no at any time .

If she was still in New Cross how could she have identified the twins ?

However Bamber rang her for the third time in 7 hours to tell her 'don't go to work. A police car is coming to pick you up'.

[Adam]

How can he dispute the items IF HE WAS NOT THERE !

How does he know what was going on in the house ?

Guess the millions of documents in his cell haven't benefitted him.

[Jan]

If she was still in New Cross how could she have identified the twins ?

However Bamber rang her for the third time in 7 hours to tell her 'don't go to work. A police are is coming to pick you up'.

I do not get your tenuous connection. Of course someone else could have done it . She still could have said NO

I am a teacher I love children , I am too upset about the whole thing I just CANT do it.

[Adam]

I do not get your tenuous connection. Of course someone else could have done it . She still could have said NO

I am a teacher I love children , I am too upset about the whole thing I just CANT do it.

Who else was there available who could tell the twins apart ?

Anyway, you're view is if you were a 20 year old woman suddenly put in Julie's position, you wouldn't identify the twins. However you're view does not represent everyone.

[guest2181]

I do not get your tenuous connection. Of course someone else could have done it . She still could have said NO

I am a teacher I love children , I am too upset about the whole thing I just CANT do it.

Is it possible that Julie didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders and only came to such a realisation afterwards?

I don't know about anybody else, but I'd run a mile if I was in that position with knowledge of who was responsible.

[Jane]

See my points IN CAPITALS above , I just really could not go on answering your "Points" as really they just seem just disrespectful of the whole situation .

I would have believed you more if you had said Jeremy had promised her half the inheritance so she was in on it all then he dumped her .

Perhaps you should think about that because none of the above makes sense , at all .

I love the way you're so judgemental, dictatorial and convinced about what a 20 year old 'should' have done under those extreme circumstances. I wonder just how clear her thinking was that day? I wonder just how much he'd told her of his plans? I wonder how frightened she might have been in case, if she said anything, he'd implicate her. I wonder how numb she might have been? You slate her for not refusing to identify the twins. The only other person who offered was turned down by the police. Certainly, I believe it was possible for her to 'know' he'd done it, but I'll bet she didn't truly KNOW -because she hadn't experienced it- until it sunk in after she'd seen the children.

[Jan]

Is it possible that Julie didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders and only came to such a realisation afterwards?

I don't know about anybody else, but I'd run a mile if I was in that position with knowledge of who was responsible.

Yes of course but it would mean that her statements were not accurate because I think to say she knew he had done it on the night and for him to have allegedly made previous actual plans to murder them would mean she was pretty thick not to realise . And she was not stupid was she ? Not according to her qualifications and her subsequent employment .

But I find it very hard to believe she did the ID knowing all she says she did .

[Jane]

Is it possible that Julie didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders and only came to such a realisation afterwards?

I don't know about anybody else, but I'd run a mile if I was in that position with knowledge of who was responsible.

Yeah, I can go with that, H. I can't say categorically what I'd have done, but it would probably have involved a lot of vomiting through sheer terror.

[guest2181]

Yes of course but it would mean that her statements were not accurate because I think to say she knew he had done it on the night and for him to have allegedly made previous actual plans to murder them would mean she was pretty thick not to realise . And she was not stupid was she ? Not according to her qualifications and her subsequent employment .

But I find it very hard to believe she did the ID knowing all she says she did .

Has she said she categorically knew on the night? Has she said she even suspected on the night?
I can't remember without going through her statements again.

She must have discussed things with JB afterwards at some stage though, perhaps she became more suspicious which made JB come up with the hit man story (if indeed he did).

[guest7363]

Is it possible that Julie didn't know Jeremy was responsible for the murders and only came to such a realisation afterwards?

I don't know about anybody else, but I'd run a mile if I was in that position with knowledge of who was responsible.

She probably regrets doing a lot of things, don't we all when we look back on life?

[Caroline]

According to CAL and SOCO Neil Davidson - he was.  However he was not down on the list of officers who entered the building.  A DC Henderson was.  CAL puts this down to an error in recording. 

Hammersley broke down when interviewed by COLP and mentioned something about his marriage breaking up.  He was disciplined for something case related but I cant find what it was.

He was interviewed, not sure about disciplined though? Some time long ago it was stated that he wasn't at the scene when he said he was but I have never found anything to back this up. Regardless of that, his court testimony shows that there was an enlarged photograph of Sheila's right hand and no one saw any cuts.

[Jan]

I love the way you're so judgemental, dictatorial and convinced about what a 20 year old 'should' have done under those extreme circumstances. I wonder just how clear her thinking was that day? I wonder just how much he'd told her of his plans? I wonder how frightened she might have been in case, if she said anything, he'd implicate her. I wonder how numb she might have been? You slate her for not refusing to identify the twins. The only other person who offered was turned down by the police. Certainly, I believe it was possible for her to 'know' he'd done it, but I'll bet she didn't truly KNOW -because she hadn't experienced it- until it sunk in after she'd seen the children.
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I am judgemental and Dictorial ?

  Because she left out vital bits out of her statements and changed her whole story ?

Wonder where I got that attitude from . Perhaps it's posters being equally judgemental and dictorial about Jeremy and how he would act .



Also I do think if we want to be honest her story in the news of the world did not seem to be the actions of some little shy scared shrinking violet .

But of course if it keeps you happy  all my posts will in future be of course  in my opinion only .

[Caroline]

Perhaps his notes are not complete?  Perhaps he described contamination separately from wounds.  You're really hanging on these notes mind 

Not just the notes, the enlarged post mortem photographs too - you're hanging on by a very weak thread 

[Jan]

Has she said she categorically knew on the night? Has she said she even suspected on the night?
I can't remember without going through her statements again.

She must have discussed things with JB afterwards at some stage though, perhaps she became more suspicious which made JB come up with the hit man story (if indeed he did).

Yes after the second phone call to the house .