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Offline David1819

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #690 on: July 26, 2017, 04:13:PM »
Yes but I don't think it's the same version of the photo you used for your own post.  There's something different about it.  Annoyingly, my works computer wont allow me access to view your original post.  It sometimes does that - don't know why.

Its not the same. This is a better resolution photo.

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« Reply #691 on: July 26, 2017, 04:19:PM »
Its not the same. This is a better resolution photo.

To some extent maybe it is.  But on the other photo - within that grouping of marks - there were two marks in particular that seemed to be more easy to see than on this latest image.  Anyway thanks for posting that up.

Blood certainly smears in mysterious ways  ;)

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #692 on: July 26, 2017, 04:25:PM »
Are you saying that the marks on #687 were made by contact with another human being. Were the circular blood marks fingerprint smudges?

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« Reply #693 on: July 26, 2017, 04:36:PM »
Are you saying that the marks on #687 were made by contact with another human being. Were the circular blood marks fingerprint smudges?

Steve there is another image further back on the thread.  Regarding the grouping of small marks highlighted in 687.  I think that two of them can be seen a little more clearly in the image further back in the thread. I wouldn't have thought they were finger prints.  But I don't think they're smears either. 

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #694 on: July 26, 2017, 04:40:PM »
To some extent maybe it is.  But on the other photo - within that grouping of marks - there were two marks in particular that seemed to be more easy to see than on this latest image.  Anyway thanks for posting that up.

Blood certainly smears in mysterious ways  ;)

They are identical.  ???

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #695 on: July 26, 2017, 04:50:PM »
They are identical.  ???

What I'm trying to say is that the two marks are easier to make out in post 694 than they are in 687.  Hope this makes sense  :))

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« Reply #696 on: July 26, 2017, 04:56:PM »

maybe when you try to contact people by pm you should stick to the same forum name or are you deliberately trying to mislead forum members
I don't get what you mean, try, I either did or I didn't, I used to be Ralph and I changed my name for reasons which I've explained.  The only thing I remember is  you contacted me once before, saying, you wasn't 100 per cent sure if Bamber was guilty or not, I can't even remember if I replied, I think I did not sure?  So what, I talked to loads on here I'm a friendly lady,  Roch, NGB,  Maggie, Patti, Susan, Jane, Caroline, Stephanie, are you feeling left out? just feel mighty honoured you were on my list if I did, why make out I am misleading posters, if I did I did, everyone is allowed an off day

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #697 on: July 26, 2017, 05:01:PM »
Another glaring discrepancy, is the exhibit reference given to the anshuzt rifle (DRH/15), since DC Hammersley was not the first witness to handle it! On the official version of events told in the tale by DI 'Ron' Cook, he it was who removed the said rifle from Sheila's body, he it was who showed PI 'Ivor' Montgomery the rifle, and it was 'Ron' Cook who stood the anshuzt rifle at the main bedroom window! The rifle should not have been given the exhibit reference of DRH/15, its a deception introduced to fool people into thinking the rifle was on Sheila's body undisturbed until after 10 am when DC Hammersley took possession of it from Sheila Caffells body!

How can this be true, when Cook testified during the trial that he took possession of the rifle from Sheila Caffells body?
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« Reply #698 on: July 26, 2017, 05:12:PM »
In fact, the whole exhibit library is made up of doctered exhibit references, because if the truth be known DC Hammersley was not the first police officer to seize them, handle them, or remove them from the bodies of victims, or elsewhere inside the farmhouse, the firearm officers were, then senior officers, then the first group of SOCO (Henderson and Oakey), then the second team of SOCO (Bird, Cook, Davidson and Hammersley)...

Exhibit references for exhibits faked...
Oh so Hammersley was at the scene then?

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« Reply #699 on: July 26, 2017, 05:23:PM »
Another glaring discrepancy, is the exhibit reference given to the anshuzt rifle (DRH/15), since DC Hammersley was not the first witness to handle it! On the official version of events told in the tale by DI 'Ron' Cook, he it was who removed the said rifle from Sheila's body, he it was who showed PI 'Ivor' Montgomery the rifle, and it was 'Ron' Cook who stood the anshuzt rifle at the main bedroom window! The rifle should not have been given the exhibit reference of DRH/15, its a deception introduced to fool people into thinking the rifle was on Sheila's body undisturbed until after 10 am when DC Hammersley took possession of it from Sheila Caffells body!

How can this be true, when Cook testified during the trial that he took possession of the rifle from Sheila Caffells body?

This matter is further highlighted as a fraud, because the second team of SOCO (Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley) did not take control of the scene until after 10am - you will remember what the police surgeon, Dr Craig said about the position of the rifle at 8.44am, with Sheila's body 'on the far side of the bed', with what appeared to be a rifle alongside her body! Somebody, therefore must have placed that rifle onto Sheila's body after the police surgeon Craig viewed the body and the rifle alongside it! Then we had the Commander of the firearms Operation, PS Adams who at 9am visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila Caffell, minus the rifle! Again, somebody from amongst the police contingent must have placed that rifle onto Sheila Caffells body after PS Adams left the main bedroom! Then we had DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clark, who both visited the main bedroom scene and saw the bodies of Sheila and June both laid out on top of the bed with the said rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies! Again, somebody in the police contingent must have ploaced the said rifle onto Sheila's body after Jones and Clark both left the main bedroom! Then we had the Coroners officer, PC Wright who visited the main bedroom and saw Sheila Caffells body at 9.30am, he states that the rifle had already been removed from Sheila's body by that stage! So, once again, somebody from amongst the police contingent must have plonked that rifle onto Sheila Caffells body after PC Wright first saw Sheila's body at 9.30am...

By 10am, the anshuzt rifle, which had not been on Sheila's body at either 8.44am (Craig), 9am (Adams), 9.10am (Jones and Clark), and 9.30am (PC Wright) was now firmly with Sheila Caffells body, and PC Bird photographed it there on the footing that is where it had originally been found undisturbed! Cook lied about the sequence with which he was involved in removing the anshuzt rifle for the very first time it was taken off Sheila's body! Cook did not arrive at the scene until 9.20am, and already by that stage we know that the rifle was not on the body by reference to Dr Craig, PS Adams, and Jones and Clarks accounts! We also know that Cook deliberately lied by claiming he had moved the rifle from Sheila's body to the main bedroom window, as shown by photograph no. 23, because that photograph was taken before Cook even set foot inside the main bedroom, and it wasn't taken by PC Bird, it was taken by members of the first SOCO team, Oakey or Henderson!

A total of three different officers claim to have removed the anshuzt rifle from Sheila Caffells body and made it safe! (1) PI Montgomery, (2) Ron Cook, and (3) PS Woodcock...

Hence why the said rifle should never have been given the exhibit reference of DRH/15, because DC Hammersley did not remove the rifle from Sheila's body, he did not handle it originally, others did, other cops handled it, checked it, repositioned it with the body on several occasions during 'informatives'...
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #700 on: July 26, 2017, 05:35:PM »
This matter is further highlighted as a fraud, because the second team of SOCO (Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley) did not take control of the scene until after 10am - you will remember what the police surgeon, Dr Craig said about the position of the rifle at 8.44am, with Sheila's body 'on the far side of the bed', with what appeared to be a rifle alongside her body! Somebody, therefore must have placed that rifle onto Sheila's body after the police surgeon Craig viewed the body and the rifle alongside it! Then we had the Commander of the firearms Operation, PS Adams who at 9am visited the main bedroom and saw the body of Sheila Caffell, minus the rifle! Again, somebody from amongst the police contingent must have placed that rifle onto Sheila Caffells body after PS Adams left the main bedroom! Then we had DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clark, who both visited the main bedroom scene and saw the bodies of Sheila and June both laid out on top of the bed with the said rifle on the bed inbetween both bodies! Again, somebody in the police contingent must have ploaced the said rifle onto Sheila's body after Jones and Clark both left the main bedroom! Then we had the Coroners officer, PC Wright who visited the main bedroom and saw Sheila Caffells body at 9.30am, he states that the rifle had already been removed from Sheila's body by that stage! So, once again, somebody from amongst the police contingent must have plonked that rifle onto Sheila Caffells body after PC Wright first saw Sheila's body at 9.30am...

By 10am, the anshuzt rifle, which had not been on Sheila's body at either 8.44am (Craig), 9am (Adams), 9.10am (Jones and Clark), and 9.30am (PC Wright) was now firmly with Sheila Caffells body, and PC Bird photographed it there on the footing that is where it had originally been found undisturbed! Cook lied about the sequence with which he was involved in removing the anshuzt rifle for the very first time it was taken off Sheila's body! Cook did not arrive at the scene until 9.20am, and already by that stage we know that the rifle was not on the body by reference to Dr Craig, PS Adams, and Jones and Clarks accounts! We also know that Cook deliberately lied by claiming he had moved the rifle from Sheila's body to the main bedroom window, as shown by photograph no. 23, because that photograph was taken before Cook even set foot inside the main bedroom, and it wasn't taken by PC Bird, it was taken by members of the first SOCO team, Oakey or Henderson!

A total of three different officers claim to have removed the anshuzt rifle from Sheila Caffells body and made it safe! (1) PI Montgomery, (2) Ron Cook, and (3) PS Woodcock...

Hence why the said rifle should never have been given the exhibit reference of DRH/15, because DC Hammersley did not remove the rifle from Sheila's body, he did not handle it originally, others did, other cops handled it, checked it, repositioned it with the body on several occasions during 'informatives'...

When referring to the rifle in question, and to their handling of it, neither Montgomery, Cook or Woodcock, refer to the rifle by its exhibit reference of DRH/15 - there is a good reason for this, the said rifle has been fraudulently associated with firing the two shots (bullets, PV/20 and PV/19) which wounded and killed Sheila Caffell! The first witness to handle any exhibit in any criminal investigation is always the witness whose identifying initials are associated with the exhibit! But not in this case, the people who did handle the rifle, the people who did moved it, and plant it with Sheila Caffells body, wanted to disassociate themselves from ever touching it, let alone use it to stage manage Sheila Caffells death scene!

But stage her death they did, and they set up DC Hammersley to be the numpty!!

No wonder he broke down crying when he was to be interviewed by COLP, 'I DIDn't FIND IT', he blurted out...

That's right, he didn't but they made him into the scapegoat by presenting the facts dishonestly about who took possession of that rifle, and what was done with it...
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #701 on: July 26, 2017, 05:41:PM »
Oh so Hammersley was at the scene then?

According to CAL and SOCO Neil Davidson - he was.  However he was not down on the list of officers who entered the building.  A DC Henderson was.  CAL puts this down to an error in recording. 

Hammersley broke down when interviewed by COLP and mentioned something about his marriage breaking up.  He was disciplined for something case related but I cant find what it was.

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« Reply #702 on: July 26, 2017, 05:47:PM »
According to CAL and SOCO Neil Davidson - he was.  However he was not down on the list of officers who entered the building.  A DC Henderson was.  CAL puts this down to an error in recording. 

Hammersley broke down when interviewed by COLP and mentioned something about his marriage breaking up.  He was disciplined for something case related but I cant find what it was.
And the fact he gave court testimony at the trial saying he was there as well, you missed that bit.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #703 on: July 26, 2017, 05:51:PM »
It occurs to me that those posters who believe in Jeremy being innocent might be wise to find a bit more common ground. We have Mike telling the story of police shooting Sheila, not just once, but twice, and if lack of support for it, from other supporters, is anything to go by, is at a thousand mile remove from anything other supporters believe. We have Lookout with any entirely different take, in that it was a family feud with June being responsible for Sheila's death. We've had David tealeafing information researched by someone else, making it pro Bamber and saying he has new and crucial information too hot to share -might that be the reason for it being dropped like a lead balloon? We have Roch trying to convince us that respected and eminent experts presents entirely different ie rewritten notes on Sheila after Jeremy started to be investigated................and we have a cheer leader egging them all on to success. The ONLY thing they have in common THUS far is their belief in Jeremy's innocence. NOTHING else of their beliefs seem to match up with anyone else's belief. It lends neither credibility to, nor confidence in, anything they say.


You think it would be wise for us to find common ground?

The only thing THEY have in common?

Well if that is not grouping posters into us and them I don't know what is.

Personally I am aware of no cheer leader . I think most posters on here clearly act as individuals and are asking others on both sides questions and most  don't have a gang mentality . They are intelligently not jumping to conclusions. 

It's not as if there have never been miscarriages of justice before and some posters have readily admitted some police officers do lie to get their man . So I think perhaps more respect .

I am sure we are all on here for a reason .

Not sure I can fathom everyone's reason , but hey , live and let live.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #704 on: July 26, 2017, 05:53:PM »
Based on all the information we now have access to, the anshuzt rifle went on a journey after Sheila Caffell placed it at the box room window for the police to see at around 7.15am, that morning!

It eventually found its way into the main bedroom at around 8.44am, it was alongside the body at that stage (Craig and another), we don't know exactly where it was at 9am when PS Adams saw Sheila's body (minus the rifle), but by 9.10am we know that the said rifle was laying on the bed between the bodies of Sheila and June! We don't know where the rifle was at 9.30am, when the Coroners Officer, PC Wright viewd Sheila's body (the rifle had been removed from the body by that stage). What we do know, is that the rifle iin question was photographed by Oakey and Henderson resting near the main bedroom window as shown in photograph no. 23, and that then DC Oakey photographed Sheila in possession of the said rifle as shown in photograph no. 26 (which shows the barrel of the anshuzt rifle resting against the left side of her neck!). These activities and duties took place prior to 10am, when the first team of SOCO had controlof the farmhouse which coincided with senior officers carrying out 'infomatives' using the bodies of victims and exhibits of evidential value! Then allong came the second team of SOCO (Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley) after 10am, by which stage the bodies of victims had already been physically abused and staged, and PC Bird took further photographs showing the rifle in a different position on Sheila Caffells body (as shown in photographs, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, etc)...

The prosecution of Jeremy Bamber was therefore supported by concocted evidence, the exhibit references had no real value other than to enable Essexolice to pull the wool over everyones eyes, including the jury, about the validity of PC Birds photographs, a dangerous deception, claiming they represented thhe crime scene undisturbed, when in fact they were part of a police cponspiracy to pervert the course of justice involving the manner with which Sheila Caffell had died inside whf..
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