Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[guest7363]

That's not what the defence expert said, he said Sheila could have still been moving around for up to half an hour after the first shot, or the infliction of the second fatal shot! Why should I believe Venezis explanation when he altered his evidence to fit both scenarios, four murders and a suicide, then five murders? He also recovered a piece of badly fragmented bullet from Sheila's neck (PV/20) which turned into a whole bullet six weeks later, and Venezis remained tight lipped about the irregularity!

Did the defence expert examine Sheila Mike?  Was he there when the autopsy was performed?  Or did he go by Vanezis's notes and observations?

[mike tesko]

Where is the half an hour time span mentioned?

In professor Knights sworn testimony!

[mike tesko]

Did the defence expert examine Sheila Mike?  Was he there when the autopsy was performed?  Or did he go by Vanezis's notes and observations?

Was Venezis there at the farmhouse when cops reported finding two bodies upon entry to the kitchen? The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide? Only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?

[guest7363]

Yes, that is quite true, although he didn't say her palms were blood stained (exactly) he did allude to it by stating that he thought the stain on her nightdress came from her palm. This is why his notes are important in this instance because they were written on the day of the murders - it was later when he said her hands were clean. His written statement does differ slightly in this respect so I believe his notes are a more reliable source of evidence.

Thanks Caroline, I can't read his writing, are those the ones that got nicked?

[susan]

Ok thanks Susan, maybe Caroline can pick this up, I thought there was another written statement somewhere

Justice you could be right about another written statement I just remember Caroline posting about the two reports being the exact opposite and she always posted facts but she will remember where they are I am hopeless at finding documents.  Sorry.

[Jane]

That's not what the defence expert said, he said Sheila could have still been moving around for up to half an hour after the first shot, or the infliction of the second fatal shot! Why should I believe Venezis explanation when he altered his evidence to fit both scenarios, four murders and a suicide, then five murders? He also recovered a piece of badly fragmented bullet from Sheila's neck (PV/20) which turned into a whole bullet six weeks later, and Venezis remained tight lipped about the irregularity!

He may have said "could". He never said "DID".  I see the above as a mix of fact coupled with tweaked fact to make it fit the way you want it to be seen.

[Adam]

My reliable source is Roch, it's no big deal.  How do I know whether Vanezis and/or the police lied?  It is strange that we are told she had no injuries when she obvs did have and I believe so did June but beyond that I don't know what went on.

Well the 40 pictures on this forum show no injuries on Sheila's hands, feet, arms, legs,neck, shoulders & face.

No one suggested the blood smudges on Sheila's arm were injuries until Bill did. Roch is now running with this full throttle.  Guilters don't believe they are injuries & the experts didn't report any. But as Roch, they are part of the industrial frame.

The 400+ released photos to Bamber don't show any injuries otherwise the OS would have annonced it. But Mike has inside information that 180 photos have not been released. These must be the photos Bill has seen of Sheila's scratches underneath her undamaged nightie.

Hopefully Roch will share his source on the forum.

[guest7363]

Was Venezis there at the farmhouse when cops reported finding two bodies upon entry to the kitchen? The body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide? Only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am?

No 100 per cent he wasnt, he was mad about that, who was to blame for not calling a pathologist or Ballistics?  My question was did the defence expert examine Sheila himself or did he rely on what Vanezis wrote or described?

[mike tesko]

No 100 per cent he wasnt, he was mad about that, who was to blame for not calling a pathologist or Ballistics?  My question was did the defence expert examine Sheila himself or did he rely on what Vanezis wrote or described?

He relied upon his knowlege and expertise, and gave his expert opinion!

[maggie]

Well the 40 pictures on this forum show no injuries on Sheila's hands, feet, arms, legs,neck, shoulders & face.

No one suggested the blood smudges on Sheila's arm were injuries until Bill did. Roch is now running with this full throttle.  Guilters don't believe they are injuries & the experts didn't report any. But as Roch, they are part of the industrial frame.

The 400+ released photos to Bamber don't show any injuries otherwise the OS would have annonced it. But Mike has inside information that 180 photos have not been released. These must be the photos Bill has seen of Sheila's scratches underneath her undamaged nightie.

Hopefully Roch will share his source on the forum.

I'd answer you but I can't seem to stop yawning.

[Caroline]

Thanks Caroline, I can't read his writing, are those the ones that got nicked?

Nothing got nicked.

[guest2181]

Hi hartley
what was Neville doing whilst JB reloaded and returned to the bedroom to shoot June.  Sorry if I am missing the point.

I'm suggesting that maybe it was Jeremy running downstairs with Neville in pursuit, rather than the other way around.

I don't know if Neville would flee leaving June in danger, so maybe he didn't.

[Steve_uk]

I'm suggesting that maybe it was Jeremy running downstairs with Neville in pursuit, rather than the other way around.

I don't know if Neville would flee leaving June in danger, so maybe he didn't.

Could he have had more bullets in his pockets after he discharged the first ten? Did he need to get to that kitchen worktop to reload? It always looked staged to me.

[Roch]

Any takers?

 

[guest7363]

My take on this Roch it would be a guess and so would anyone else's, it's quite possible all sorts happened after the first shot, Mike has Sheila running about half hour after being shot so work that out.