Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[Adam]

I have no idea Steve there are various possibilities, because of the blood drips we do know that she was on that side of the room when she was wounded and as far as we know she was found collapsedby the other door into the main bedroom. 
I do believe Sheila had wounds probably from sharp nails therefore it is not a huge leap to wonder if they were caused by Sheila if June was trying to get the gun off her in order to save herself or save the twins.  It shouldn't be a surprise that June was a courageous woman, in WW2 she worked undercover in the Middle East, a position she must have volunteered for and for which she would have been taught self defence if under attack as part of her training.

June was shot 5 times in bed. Even David agrees. There is no possibility of June putting up any resistance after these shots.

'Believing Sheila had wounds probably from sharpe nails' is not enough. The photos need to show it & the experts need to confirm it. Wanting it to be true is not enough.

As said just now, Bamber's team were given all negatives. Over 400 photos. None showed any injuries to Sheila. And none of the 40 pictures on this forum show any.

[mike tesko]

Blood which originated from the other victims was found on Sheila's nightdress, it's all documented, the analysis was carried out by John Hayward on 6 September 1985!! All the adult victims had marks, bruising and smeared blood on their hands and arms! It was definitely Sheila that shot and killed the other four victims! But she did not shoot and kill herself, or try to shoot and kill herself, either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or on the floor! After cops shot Sheila dead in a mishap on the bedroom floor another doctor was summoned to the scene to pronounce her dead! The surname of the doctor in question is 'HARRIS'..

Dr Harris pronounced Sheila as being dead during the period senior officers carried out 'informatives', and was privy to the circumstances of how Sheila had been shot and killed!

[Adam]

180 negatives still missing and unaccounted for ('THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'), consisted of 581 photographs! 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' only had 223 photographs, so with the CCRC having 401 negatives in their possession, that's 178 more than Bambers legal team were given pre-trial! Cops cut negative strips to remove damning evidence!

Why did the police say they released all negatives if there were 180 missing ?

The 180 missing photos must show Sheila's injuries. The 400+ they released must have not shown any injuries.

[Jan]

June was shot 5 times in bed. Even David agrees. There is no possibility of June putting up any resistance after these shots.

'Believing Sheila had wounds probably from sharpe nails' is not enough. The photos need to show it & the experts need to confirm it. Wanting it to be true is not enough.

As said just now, Bamber's team were given all negatives. Over 400 photos. None showed any injuries to Sheila. And none of the 40 pictures on this forum show any.

Wanting it to be true is not enough , well I will have to remember that one when you go on about the bike and the wetsuit  etc etc etc


Glad you are seeing the light at last .

[mike tesko]

June was shot 5 times in bed. Even David agrees. There is no possibility of June putting up any resistance after these shots.

'Believing Sheila had wounds probably from sharpe nails' is not enough. The photos need to show it & the experts need to confirm it. Wanting it to be true is not enough.

As said just now, Bamber's team were given all negatives. Over 400 photos. None showed any injuries to Sheila. And none of the 40 pictures on this forum show any.

The CCRC did not have 'ALL' the negatives, all 401 of them out of a maximum 581! That's 180 fewer than originally existed! Cops cut up negative strips to get rid of damning photographic evidence! Cops lied and concealed the duties performed by the first team of SOCO (DC Oakey, and DC Henderson) who photographed Sheila's body on top of the bed with only a single bullet wound to her neck, and the rifle on the bed, in between the bodies of Sheila and June! Cops moved June Bambers body onto the floor from the bed, first! This can be worked out by the fact that there exists photographs showing only Sheila's body on the bed, before PC Bird came along and photographed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor after her death scene was staged during 'informatives'!

[Jan]

Why did the police say they released all negatives if there were 180 missing ?

The 180 missing photos must show Sheila's injuries. The 400+ they released must have not shown any injuries.
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Yes you are right that is a possibility .

[Jane]

Blood which originated from the other victims was found on Sheila's nightdress, it's all documented, the analysis was carried out by John Hayward on 6 September 1985!! All the adult victims had marks, bruising and smeared blood on their hands and arms! It was definitely Sheila that shot and killed the other four victims! But she did not shoot and kill herself, or try to shoot and kill herself, either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or on the floor! After cops shot Sheila dead in a mishap on the bedroom floor another doctor was summoned to the scene to pronounce her dead! The surname of the doctor in question is 'HARRIS'..

Why was it necessary for two doctors to pronounce her dead? Dr Craig had already performed that task. If he'd been satisfied she was dead, surely all Harris is, is yet another conspirator?

[guest7363]

The CCRC did not have 'ALL' the negatives, all 401 of them out of a maximum 581! That's 180 fewer than originally existed! Cops cut up negative strips to get rid of damning photographic evidence! Cops lied and concealed the duties performed by the first team of SOCO (DC Oakey, and DC Henderson) who photographed Sheila's body on top of the bed with only a single bullet wound to her neck, and the rifle on the bed, in between the bodies of Sheila and June! Cops moved June Bambers body onto the floor from the bed, first! This can be worked out by the fact that there exists photographs showing only Sheila's body on the bed, before PC Bird came along and photographed Sheila's body on the bedroom floor after her death scene was staged during 'informatives'!

I make it 130 if 50 were available at trial?

[mike tesko]

One thing is for certain, and that is that PC Bird was not the only cop taking photographs at the scene that morning, since DC Oakey and DC Henderson also took photographs, and a crime scene video!

[Adam]

Wanting it to be true is not enough , well I will have to remember that one when you go on about the bike and the wetsuit  etc etc etc


Glad you are seeing the light at last .

I don't go on about the wetsuit.

I did post about the bike recently. On Nugs's thread. And created my own after Nugs didn't answer my questions.

[mike tesko]

I make it 130 if 50 were available at trial?

The 50 at trial were taken from the 223 belonging to 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' (581)..

[Adam]

Everyone agrees that none of the hundreds of released photo's show any injuries to Sheila.

None of the 40 on this forum show any. None of the 400+ Bamber's team received 6 years ago did, otherwise it would have been annonced.

But as Mike said, the police lied & didn't release all negatives. There are 180 pictures that have not been released. These must show all of Sheila's injuries underneath her undamaged nightdress.

[mike tesko]

Why was it necessary for two doctors to pronounce her dead? Dr Craig had already performed that task. If he'd been satisfied she was dead, surely all Harris is, is yet another conspirator?

Sheila wasn't physically dead when Craig pronounced her dead at 8.44am! He just assumed she was dead without performing a physical examination, whereas after 9.13am when she got shot during a mishap whilst 'informatives' were being carried out, Dr Harris was requested to attend the scene, and after performing a full physical examination he verified Sheila as being dead! This ccurred after the arrival of the Coroner's officer, PC Wright arrived at the scene at around 9.30am! The second SOCO team consisting of Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley were prevented from taking control of the crime scene until after Dr Harris officially pronounced her as being dead, and her body set as shown in PC Birds later photographs!

[mike tesko]

Everyone agrees that none of the hundreds of released photo's show any injuries to Sheila.

None of the 40 on this forum show any. None of the 400+ Bamber's team received 6 years ago did, otherwise it would have been annonced.

But as Mike said, the police lied & didn't release all negatives. There are 180 pictures that have not been released. These must show all of Sheila's injuries underneath her undamaged nightdress.

Yes, many of the missing 180 or so negatives captured the injuries and marks being spoken about! Some, however, were abusive photographs where cops posed for selfies next to the bodies of the victims in provocative poses! They abused the bodies of the deceased and used them like props in a theatre production!

[Adam]

Yes, many of the missing 180 or so negatives captured the injuries and marks being spoken about! Some, however, were abusive photographs where cops posed for selfies next to the bodies of the victims in provocative poses! They abused the bodies of the deceased and used them like props in a theatre production!

That was unsensitive of the police.