Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[mike tesko]

At least that is what Jones and Clark told Ann Eaton on the first morning of the tragedy whilst all were gathered at Jeremy's cottage!!

If the bodies of Sheila and June were on top of the bed like Jones and Clark told Ann Eaton, with the gun on the bed between them, and a bible on Sheila's chest, how could Sheila's body be photographed on the bedroom floor after 10 am when the second team of SOCO took control of the scene? Who moved Sheila's body from the bed to the floor? Who placed the rifle in her possession? How did she end up with two shots to the neck when she only had one right up until shortly after Jones and Clark left the main bedroom scene?

[Roch]

So where are the mention of your wounds? Why are they omitted? It's a simple question but one you keep avoiding other than to say the report isn't genuine. Perhaps you and Bill and the CT et al can get your heads together and come up with a reason why Veneziz would omit these wounds from his report when he detailed those of Nevill Bamner. I know wounds aren't contamination the fact that they aren't mentioned at al is the point?

If his report doesn't describe her wounds then it's not genuine and was amended to fit with the aims of the second investigation. 

As for reasons - it's described here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8513.0.html

[guest7363]

I was Jeremy's McKensie man, and I was entitled to do whatever I thought would help Jeremy! The cops staged Sheila's body and me taking the photographs that I took was the right thing to do under the circumstances! A lot of mischief occurs behind pii on the part of the authorities, for example, like withholding 358 photographs from the defence team, and withholding 531 photographs from the court which tried Bamber!

Looks like he was given a load of photo's back in 2011,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13394873

[mike tesko]

The jury were conned into believing that Sheila's hands and feet were blood free!

We now know she had blood on her hands and feet! We also now know that she had bloodied marks on her right forearm which are consistent with someone having grappled with her! Both Neville and June Bamber had marks on their arms consistent with them grappling with Sheila..

[mike tesko]

Looks like he was given a load of photo's back in 2011,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13394873

The problem here is that there were more than 401 photographs, Essex police are still holding onto 181 others which prove the cops and not Jeremy Bamber shot Sheila Caffell and that cops staged her suicide on the main bedroom floor!

[guest7363]

The problem here is that there were more than 401 photographs, Essex police are still holding onto 181 others which prove the cops and not Jeremy Bamber shot Sheila Caffell and that cops staged her suicide on the main bedroom floor!

ALL, negatives in our possession?

"We have now approached Mr Bamber and his team with a proposal to allow them access to the material they require and to permit prints to be made of all the negatives in our possession."

[guest2181]

ALL, negatives in our possession?

"We have now approached Mr Bamber and his team with a proposal to allow them access to the material they require and to permit prints to be made of all the negatives in our possession."

[maggie]

Wasn't she walking towards the connecting door of the twins' room? I can't see her as having any thought process about trying to disarm her daughter; she was incapacitated and close to death.

I have no idea Steve there are various possibilities, because of the blood drips we do know that she was on that side of the room when she was wounded and as far as we know she was found collapsedby the other door into the main bedroom. 
I do believe Sheila had wounds probably from sharp nails therefore it is not a huge leap to wonder if they were caused by Sheila if June was trying to get the gun off her in order to save herself or save the twins.  It shouldn't be a surprise that June was a courageous woman, in WW2 she worked undercover in the Middle East, a position she must have volunteered for and for which she would have been taught self defence if under attack as part of her training.

[guest7363]

Ha Ha, he looks on form Hartley is that your new Keeper?

If he lets one in he will be called corrupt or he's been blackmailed.

[mike tesko]

ALL, negatives in our possession?

"We have now approached Mr Bamber and his team with a proposal to allow them access to the material they require and to permit prints to be made of all the negatives in our possession."

180 negatives still missing and unaccounted for ('THE SENIOR INVESTIGATING OFFICERS ALBUM'), consisted of 581 photographs! 'THE MASTER COPY ALBUM' only had 223 photographs, so with the CCRC having 401 negatives in their possession, that's 178 more than Bambers legal team were given pre-trial! Cops cut negative strips to remove damning evidence!

[guest2181]

Wasn't she walking towards the connecting door of the twins' room? I can't see her as having any thought process about trying to disarm her daughter; she was incapacitated and close to death.

We've always suggested that Neville fled the bedroom and JB gave chase. Perhaps Neville got out of bed and went to confront JB with June moving away to the far side of the room. Then JB runs out of bullets and flees to the kitchen to reload whilst Neville gives Chase. June was then shot again on JBs return to the bedroom. 

[guest2181]

Ha Ha, he looks on form Hartley is that your new Keeper?

If he lets one in he will be called corrupt or he's been blackmailed.

Just the usual moving goalposts. 

[mike tesko]

We've always suggested that Neville fled the bedroom and JB gave chase. Perhaps Neville got out of bed and went to confront JB with June moving away to the far side of the room. Then JB runs out of bullets and flees to the kitchen to reload whilst Neville gives Chase. June was then shot again on JBs return to the bedroom.  :-\

Jeremy Bamber did not shoot the other four victims, Sheila did! She had their blood on her nightdress! All the adult victims had marks and gouges on their arms and hands consistent with them all having struggled with one another at some stage! Neville and Sheila struggled together, and so did Sheila and June Bamber! Let's also not forget that according to the running commentary recorded in the police message logs, that Sheila and Neville Bambers bodies were both downstairs from between 7.35am, and 8.10am, two bodies found upon entry to the kitchen,CA murder and a suicide, only a further three bodies upstairs! Sheila's body was the second body found, it had to be the second body found because her death was the only death being touted as a suicide! The suicide was the second body found, not the tied, or the fourth, or the fifth! There were only three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am, one of those three bodies could not have been a reference to Sheila's body, they referred to June Bambers body, and the bodies of the two child victims!

[mike tesko]

Just the usual moving goalposts. 

There has been no moving of goal posts by me, I have told the truth!

[mike tesko]

Blood which originated from the other victims was found on Sheila's nightdress, it's all documented, the analysis was carried out by John Hayward on 6 September 1985!! All the adult victims had marks, bruising and smeared blood on their hands and arms! It was definitely Sheila that shot and killed the other four victims! But she did not shoot and kill herself, or try to shoot and kill herself, either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or on the floor! After cops shot Sheila dead in a mishap on the bedroom floor another doctor was summoned to the scene to pronounce her dead! The surname of the doctor in question is 'HARRIS'..