Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[David1819]

Everyone agrees Sheila & her nightdress would have been badly damaged after the violent kitchen fight.

Supporters try to say there was no fight & the raid team smashed things, knocked things over & scratched things. Or that Nevill just collapsed & Sheila spent 5 minutes hitting him with the rifle. Or both. Neither are plausible.

 

The idea of the police creating the mess in the kitchen, actually originates from the police themselves. Its their own admission.

[David1819]

What? Are you for real? 

Yes.

[susan]

PH thought it was a blood smear, the question was asked but this isn't  a fact of the case, nor is it a fact that Sheila ate cereal.

Caroline I was not sure if it was you or PH that noticed the blood smear on the bowl (not a fact I know) maybe more of an observation like most stuff on this forum.  I admit the bit about Sheila having cereal may have come from Lookout or did I imagine it if  I did I do apologise.

[guest7363]

Yes.

Funny he only mentions one gunshot wound on all the bodies, he was there to certify death not to do an autopsy.

[susan]

June was shot 5 times in bed. So obviously couldn't have injured Sheila.

Blood smear on kitchen bowl ? Are you saying Sheila had breakfast after the massacre ? You will have to show me that picture.

Adam the forum assumed June walked around the bed was she heading for the door to grapple with Sheila for the gun we will never know but it looks like she did obtain scratch marks from a female with sharp nails not a fact an observation.  You know I cannot copy and post but I will later on find it in the archives and give you the number you will have read the post by Caroline PH noticed this and brought it to the attention of Caroline who brought it to the forum cannot remember the discussion.

[maggie]

Adam the forum assumed June walked around the bed was she heading for the door to grapple with Sheila for the gun we will never know but it looks like she did obtain scratch marks from a female with sharp nails not a fact an observation.  You know I cannot copy and post but I will later on find it in the archives and give you the number you will have read the post by Caroline PH noticed this and brought it to the attention of Caroline who brought it to the forum cannot remember the discussion.

We know June walked round the bed because the blood spots on the carpet prove it.  It's often queried why a badly wounded June would have walked round to the far side of the bed before walking back and collapsing by the bedroom door.  She may have walked toward Sheila to try to get the gun?
I know it messes up Adam's scenario but if she has fight wounds as is claimed she got them somehow as did Sheila.

[susan]

We know June walked round the bed because the blood spots on the carpet prove it.  It's often queried why a badly wounded June would have walked round to the far side of the bed before walking back and collapsing by the bedroom door.  She may have walked toward Sheila to try to get the gun?
I know it messes up Adam's scenario but if she has fight wounds as is claimed she got them somehow as did Sheila.

Maggie thank you for that I thought the same but forgot about the blood spots on the carpet.  Why would an injured June walk round the bed?

[Adam]

147. The precise sequence of the killings was unclear. June Bamber was shot whilst still lying in bed but had managed to get up and walk a few steps before she collapsed and died by the main bedroom door.

Nevill Bamber was also shot in the bedroom but was able to get downstairs into the kitchen where there was a violent struggle before he was overwhelmed and then shot a number of times in the head.

The children had been shot in their beds as they slept.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8415.msg401067.html#msg401067

[Adam]

The only reason it is known that June walked about a short distance while Sheila was up, was because June's blood was in the bedroom. After she had been shot 5 times in bed.

Only Nevill could have given Sheila injuries, but he would have just used his 8 stone weight & 9 inch height advantage to smother her instead.

Bamber didn't need to injure Sheila as she was zonked out, half asleep & not strong enough to put up any resistance.

The expert evidence says Sheila had no injuries. Which matches the photos.

Everything fits.

[David1819]

Funny he only mentions one gunshot wound on all the bodies, he was there to certify death not to do an autopsy.

You are taking his words out of context from another document and applying it to this.

Nice try tho 

[guest7363]

You are taking his words out of context from another document and applying it to this.

Nice try tho 

He certified death and did not make a psychical examination, probably at that stage he could only see one wound because of blood?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=5969

[mike tesko]

He certified death and did not make a psychical examination, probably at that stage he could only see one wound because of blood?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1168.0;attach=5969

There wasn't much blood visible from the first wound to Sheila's throat, any blood there was ran vertically down towards the trunk of her body! Doctor Craig pronounced her dead without physical examination at 8.44am, DS Jones, and DC Clark, saw Sheila's body on top of the bed when they both visited the main bedroom shortly after 9am, and both say that Sheila had only been shot once by that stage!

[mike tesko]

There wasn't much blood visible from the first wound to Sheila's throat, any blood there was ran vertically down towards the trunk of her body! Doctor Craig pronounced her dead without physical examination at 8.44am, DS Jones, and DC Clark, saw Sheila's body on top of the bed when they both visited the main bedroom shortly after 9am, and both say that Sheila had only been shot once by that stage!

At least that is what Jones and Clark told Ann Eaton on the first morning of the tragedy whilst all were gathered at Jeremy's cottage!!

[Steve_uk]

We know June walked round the bed because the blood spots on the carpet prove it.  It's often queried why a badly wounded June would have walked round to the far side of the bed before walking back and collapsing by the bedroom door.  She may have walked toward Sheila to try to get the gun?
I know it messes up Adam's scenario but if she has fight wounds as is claimed she got them somehow as did Sheila.

Wasn't she walking towards the connecting door of the twins' room? I can't see her as having any thought process about trying to disarm her daughter; she was incapacitated and close to death.