Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm

[mike tesko]

Except double quotes aren't present on that document. In the description column various codes are mentioned only two specifically relate to the nightdress, BOTH indicate that A blood type was discovered when tested. I have no idea what the other items relate to but they don't relate to the nightdress.

They do relate to the nightdress, because of the " underneath reference to the nightdress, item 19, what else can the entry relate to?

[guest7363]

Notes for Sheila

"Upper limbs - Red nail varnish on Nails, old scar back of left hand bilateral. Two scars beneath either breast. No other marks
Abdomen, stretch marks, small dressing on graze, left lumber area. Tampon in place."

Compared with what was notes about Nevil.
"Upper limb, loss of skin on palm of right hand, near 5th digit. There is a collection of bruises on right forearm, characteristics of end of barrel of rifle. Area bruising 2" by 4" slight bruising around elbow.

Upper limb, bruising of wrist and forearm

Wound 4" above left elbow - bruising - ? - 1/2"
grazing and bruising upper point of biceps 1" a further wound with slight bruising around 3/16" near
point of shoulder, on point of shoulder linear graze, 2".

The details given to marks on Nevil as opposed to Sheila and written on the day of the murders, PROVE there were no injuries to Sheila's right hand/arm. If there had been they would have been described here. He even described OLD scars and the slight graze covered by the dressing, it is beyond reason to suggest he would have described new abrasions on her arms and hands had they been present given the detail applied to wounds on Nevil.

I really don't know why you bother Caroline, a person who has been involved in and invited all over the world because of his expertise in Pathology, not a blemish on his career, has either failed to spot 28 cuts/lacerations or he's as bent as nine bob note.  I don't think posters realise, the body would have been washed of blood during and after the autopsy, yet we have posters saying they can defiantly see grazing from pictures that would have been available at trial, I suppose they can read a body picture better than Vanezis and it's given them an excuse to change back to innocent from when PH wrote his book ha ha.

[mike tesko]

I really don't know why you bother Caroline, a person who has been involved in and invited all over the world because of his expertise in Pathology, not a blemish on his career, has either failed to spot 28 cuts/lacerations or he's as bent as nine bob note.  I don't think posters realise, the body would have been washed of blood during and after the autopsy, yet we have posters saying they can defiantly see grazing from pictures that would have been available at trial, I suppose they can read a body picture better than Vanezis and it's given them an excuse to change back to innocent from when PH wrote his book ha ha.

The blood experts did not miss the presence of Neville Bambers 'O' type blood found on Sheila Caffells nightdress, that's for sure! Neville Bambers was the only 'O' type blood of the three adult victims! It was found on Sheila's nightdress! Marks in blood or bruising were present upon the arms of Neville Bamber and Sheila Caffell consistent with them both having struggled with one another at some point! Sheila definitely had bruising to her neck! You can scoff all you like!

[Adam]

I really don't know why you bother Caroline, a person who has been involved in and invited all over the world because of his expertise in Pathology, not a blemish on his career, has either failed to spot 28 cuts/lacerations or he's as bent as nine bob note.  I don't think posters realise, the body would have been washed of blood during and after the autopsy, yet we have posters saying they can defiantly see grazing from pictures that would have been available at trial, I suppose they can read a body picture better than Vanezis and it's given them an excuse to change back to innocent from when PH wrote his book ha ha.

That is correct. Vanezis would have performed his work on Sheila minus her nightdress. So Lookout's suggestion that all of Sheila's cuts were underneath her nightie has to be dismissed.

[mike tesko]

That is correct. Vanezis would have performed his work on Sheila minus her nightdress. So Lookout's suggestion that all of Sheila's cuts were underneath her nightie has to be dismissed.

Incorrect!

[guest7363]

Incorrect!

So they perform an autopsy on fully clothed victims and don't look underneath garments?

[Caroline]

The blood experts did not miss the presence of Neville Bambers 'O' type blood found on Sheila Caffells nightdress, that's for sure! Neville Bambers was the only 'O' type blood of the three adult victims! It was found on Sheila's nightdress! Marks in blood or bruising were present upon the arms of Neville Bamber and Sheila Caffell consistent with them both having struggled with one another at some point! Sheila definitely had bruising to her neck! You can scoff all you like!

The document you posted shows that blood on the nightdress was A not O.

[Caroline]

Incorrect!

How is that incorrect?

[mike tesko]

This is the same Peter Venezis who removed a piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed by him on 7 August 1985, a bullet which by 20 September 1985, had become transformed into a whole bullet, so the the prosecutions ballistic expert (Fletcher) could associate it (PV/20) and the other bullet (PV/19) recovered from Sheila Caffells brain to and with the anshuzt rifle! Why hasn't Venezis come forward to say that the piece of badly fragmented bullet which was the original PV/20 exhinit was not a whole bullet? When any of you can work out why this has happened and why Venezis has been kept out of the loop, I would be really interested to hear from you!

Bullets don't grow from being a piece of badly fragmented bullet, into a whole bullet in a month and a half duration! If they did our mi!itary would be very interested in knowing about this technique and it would save to ernments billions of pounds or dollars in budget!

A growing bullet, eh, what?

Oh, 'a trick of bullets', I get the gist now..

[mike tesko]

The document you posted shows that blood on the nightdress was A not O.

It shows 'A' and 'O' type blood, anyway we'll leave it to the lab' experts to explain to Jeremy's campaign team! I'm confident that I am right, there is no other item mentioned or listed on the lab' documents t only Sheila Caffells nightdress! They definitely detected 'O' type blood on the nightdress, it says so on the document. Only Neville Bamber had 'O' type blood! It doesn't matter a jot to me whether you choose to ignore the significance of this or not!  Let the experts sort it out, and I am sure they will in due course!

[guest7363]

This is the same Peter Venezis who removed a piece of badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed by him on 7 August 1985, a bullet which by 20 September 1985, had become transformed into a whole bullet, so the the prosecutions ballistic expert (Fletcher) could associate it (PV/20) and the other bullet (PV/19) recovered from Sheila Caffells brain to and with the anshuzt rifle! Why hasn't Venezis come forward to say that the piece of badly fragmented bullet which was the original PV/20 exhinit was not a whole bullet? When any of you can work out why this has happened and why Venezis has been kept out of the loop, I would be really interested to hear from you!

Bullets don't grow from being a piece of badly fragmented bullet, into a whole bullet in a month and a half duration! If they did our mi!itary would be very interested in knowing about this technique and it would save to ernments billions of pounds or dollars in budget!

A growing bullet, eh, what?

Oh, 'a trick of bullets', I get the gist now..

Out of what Loop? As late as 2001 he was awarded  £750,000, Crown Office Grant April 2000/2001. For the  provision and development of Forensic Pathology Services in the West of Scotland.  I wish I was in the same bloody loop. 

[mike tesko]

So they perform an autopsy on fully clothed victims and don't look underneath garments?

I meant it's incorrect what you said about what Lookout had said! Of course a person can receive injuries to their body beneath clothing, or in this case beneath a flimsy looking nightdress, without damaging the nightdress!

[Adam]

All this started because very infrequent poster Bill made a rare & brief visit to the forum, & said he has seen 28 scratches on Sheila. Then left.

Supporters have to jump on this as there is not much else to go on.

[Caroline]

It shows 'A' and 'O' type blood, anyway we'll leave it to the lab' experts to explain to Jeremy's campaign team! I'm confident that I am right, there is no other item mentioned or listed on the lab' documents t only Sheila Caffells nightdress! They definitely detected 'O' type blood on the nightdress, it says so on the document. Only Neville Bamber had 'O' type blood! It doesn't matter a jot to me whether you choose to ignore the significance of this or not!  Let the experts sort it out, and I am sure they will in due course!

I am also confident that I am right.

[mike tesko]

Out of what Loop? As late as 2001 he was awarded  £750,000, Crown Office Grant April 2000/2001. For the  provision and development of Forensic Pathology Services in the West of Scotland.  I wish I was in the same bloody loop.

I am not bothered what he was awarded, or how highly he is rated, he needs to step up to the mark and make a big issue about the piece of badly fragmented bullet (exhibit PV/29) which he took from Sheila's neck, during an autopsy he performed on the corpse of Sheila Caffell, and he needs to refute the fact stated by the ballistic expert that by 20 September it could have been a whole bullet! I'm not bothered whether Venezis is related to the Queen of Sheba, or whatever! He needs to refute the suggestion that exhibit PV/20 was a whole bullet, because it wasn't! Somebody switched it, and Venezis in all his pomp and glory needs to be refuting such a suggestion!!

But I expect that he won't..