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Offline Caroline

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #150 on: July 21, 2017, 08:41:AM »
How do we know all of his notes survived? 

You were right when you originally posted that 'lacerations' was an exaggerated term for these wounds.

If /when you see clearer images - you will see that the trails are fainter / less viscous than the spots.

I know the notes on Sheila survived, they're on the forum and cuts to the arm aren't mentioned.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #151 on: July 21, 2017, 09:28:AM »
I know the notes on Sheila survived, they're on the forum and cuts to the arm aren't mentioned.

Here are his notes on Sheila's upper limbs, why would he mention an OLD scar on her left hand but leave out new injuries to her right hand and arm? These notes were written during the autopsy - it doesn't make any sense for him to leave out such information. My conclusion is that the CT have jumped the gun and just not thought things through. Venezis had no reason to lie, certainly NOT at that point (in you believe in the conspiracy).
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #152 on: July 21, 2017, 12:41:PM »
Ok fair enough. But since this entire forum's focus comes down to studying either a suicide or a staged suicide with a rifle I think its not only appropriate but also important.

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https://gfycat.com/GloriousHeavenlyBuck

A question

The shots were obviously close to  the throat , but so you know if there would still have been a blood splatter ?

And if so surely that would indicate exactly the position she was in when shot?

So for example if she was sat with her head against the bedside cabinet - or shot in that position - you would think there would be blood on the cabinet either side to where her head had been?


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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #153 on: July 21, 2017, 01:18:PM »
A question

The shots were obviously close to  the throat , but so you know if there would still have been a blood splatter ?

And if so surely that would indicate exactly the position she was in when shot?

So for example if she was sat with her head against the bedside cabinet - or shot in that position - you would think there would be blood on the cabinet either side to where her head had been?

That would only apply if the bullet created an exit wound at the top of the head

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #154 on: July 21, 2017, 01:31:PM »
I done an experiment with an acrylic based oil.

Conclusion - It runs for a second or two then stops. The blob at the end is thicker than the trail.

lol

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #155 on: July 21, 2017, 01:45:PM »
I done an experiment with an acrylic based oil.

Conclusion - It runs for a second or two then stops. The blob at the end is thicker than the trail.

lol
Have you taken into account that everyone's blood is different?. A person on anti coagulant medication could have very thin blood which runs like water. A person who is older may have a higher clotting rate and be in danger of a stroke they would have thick sticky blood which barely runs but clots quickly. There are many clotting rates in between. Sheila was young and also on Haldon which thins the blood therefore her blood would have a low clotting rate and much less likely to clot in that way. it would be far more likely to just trail off as the source ie the wound stopped bleeding.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #156 on: July 21, 2017, 01:58:PM »
Have you taken into account that everyone's blood is different?. A person on anti coagulant medication could have very thin blood which runs like water. A person who is older may have a higher clotting rate and be in danger of a stroke they would have thick sticky blood which barely runs but clots quickly. There are many clotting rates in between. Sheila was young and also on Haldon which thins the blood therefore her blood would have a low clotting rate and much less likely to clot in that way. it would be far more likely to just trail off as the source ie the wound stopped bleeding.

Yes. This oil is very thin. But I think the hairs on my arm took a toll on the streams momentum  ;D

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #157 on: July 21, 2017, 02:26:PM »
Ok fair enough. But since this entire forum's focus comes down to studying either a suicide or a staged suicide with a rifle I think its not only appropriate but also important.

The link is below. (NSFL)

https://gfycat.com/GloriousHeavenlyBuck

Is this how you are suggesting Sheila shot herself with the silencer on ?

The man in the video looks about 6 feet. Not sure if the prosecution was wrong in saying Sheila couldn't reach the trigger with the silencer attached. 

Don't know why she would put the silencer away after the first shot. Which was a long journey downstairs. Would have been easier to take it off beforehand.
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #158 on: July 21, 2017, 03:19:PM »
Is this how you are suggesting Sheila shot herself with the silencer on ?

The man in the video looks about 6 feet. Not sure if the prosecution was wrong in saying Sheila couldn't reach the trigger with the silencer attached. 

Don't know why she would put the silencer away after the first shot. Which was a long journey downstairs. Would have been easier to take it off beforehand.

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That's not the modern consensus.

https://streamable.com/f1vb6

Like you say, experts cant be wrong!  ;)

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #159 on: July 21, 2017, 06:48:PM »
I haven't watched the video, but it's possible that Jeremy shot his sister as she was about to sit down by the cabinet, so the angle as depicted in #148 would have been similar.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #160 on: July 21, 2017, 08:08:PM »
I done an experiment with an acrylic based oil.

Conclusion - It runs for a second or two then stops. The blob at the end is thicker than the trail.

lol

I admire your tenacity David. 

I think what you have done is to drop the oil on your palm or wrist while carefully rotating your wrist / lower arm to direct the flow of the oil.  If I am wrong in this then please correct me - nevertheless - you are barking up the wrong tree.

It should be born in mind, that the images of Sheila's arm are of very low quality on this forum. 

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #161 on: July 21, 2017, 08:13:PM »
"The idea that he could invent a tale of a killing spree by a mentally disturbed woman to be lent credibility by further violent episodes over the following decades is hard to credit."

Is this referring to JB? - I have argued this on here for years.

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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #162 on: July 21, 2017, 08:14:PM »
If it could be argued that Sheila and June died more or less simultaneously then I'd have said that the " droplets " on Sheila's arms were the result of June's injuries dropping/dripping onto Sheila before June succumbed.
I'm following the droplets of blood which were found around the area where Sheila was which had been found to belong to June------as well as those found on the carpet near a window.

June Bambers 'A' type blood, and Neville Bambers 'O' type blood were found upon Sheila Caffells nightdress!
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #163 on: July 21, 2017, 08:17:PM »
June Bambers 'A' type blood, and Neville Bambers 'O' type blood were found upon Sheila Caffells nightdress!

Now, is that just a coincidence?
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Re: Sheila's neck wound and the blood on her arm
« Reply #164 on: July 21, 2017, 08:19:PM »
June Bambers 'A' type blood, and Neville Bambers 'O' type blood were found upon Sheila Caffells nightdress!

« Last Edit: July 21, 2017, 08:22:PM by mike tesko »
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