The rifle in the window.

[mike tesko]

when trying to come to terms with the meaning and purpose of the aforementioned coded note, I was mindful of DCI 'Taff' Jones belief, that Sheila had frogmarched Neville Bamber downstairs at the point of a gun and got him to make a call to Jeremy at his cottage in Goldhanger, to try and lure Jeremy to the farmhouse so that she could kill him as well!

Marks made on the back of Neville Bambers neck, were believed by Taff Jones to have been made by the muzzle end of the guns barrel minus it's silencer!

[Jane]

when trying to come to terms with the meaning and purpose of the aforementioned coded note, I was mindful of DCI 'Taff' Jones belief, that Sheila had frogmarched Neville Bamber downstairs at the point of a gun and got him to make a call to Jeremy at his cottage in Goldhanger, to try and lure Jeremy to the farmhouse so that she could kill him as well!

But if Jeremy had been with Sheila when they were all killed?.............................

[lookout]

He'd probably still have got the blame.

[mike tesko]

Marks made on the back of Neville Bambers neck, were believed by Taff Jones to have been made by the muzzle end of the guns barrel minus it's silencer!

So, if true there was no silencer fitted to the muzzle end of the rifle when Sheila had frog marched Neville downstairs at gun point -

[Jan]

So, if true there was no silencer fitted to the muzzle end of the rifle when Sheila had frog marched Neville downstairs at gun point -

. Mike in the archive crime scene photos page 3 post 39 is a comparison of how the gun is moved in the pictures . Do you still have the original photos ?

[mike tesko]

. Mike in the archive crime scene photos page 3 post 39 is a comparison of how the gun is moved in the pictures . Do you still have the original photos ?

Only copies of the originals!

[mike tesko]

Only copies of the originals!

I don't take shit from any body convicted of any crime they claim they did not do!

These people have to be totally honest with me! I can't help anybody who thinks they can fill me with bullshit and lies, and I go out of my way to ensure that those requesting my help because they have got nobody else to turn to, that they must be honest with me at all times! This approach of mine has proved successful and beneficial to many people I have been able to help, but by the same token it has been the undoing of many others, because I do not suffer fools gladly, and I do not want to help anybody who claims innocence when if the truth be known, they are as guilty as xxxx!

[mike tesko]

I don't take shit from any body convicted of any crime they claim they did not do!

These people have to be totally honest with me! I can't help anybody who thinks they can fill me with bullshit and lies, and I go out of my way to ensure that those requesting my help because they have got nobody else to turn to, that they must be honest with me at all times! This approach of mine has proved successful and beneficial to many people I have been able to help, but by the same token it has been the undoing of many others, because I do not suffer fools gladly, and I do not want to help anybody who claims innocence when if the truth be known, they are as guilty as fuck!

I can tell you all now with 100% certainty, that Jeremy Bamber was not inside the farmhouse when any of the five victims were shot and killed! But I have reservations about him showing his sister how to load bullets into the family owned anshuzt rifle and fire it! Then again, they lived on a farm where as everyone is surely aware, there is a need for pest and vermin control, so even if Jeremy had shown Sheila how to load and fire the anshuzt rifle, the reasons for him doing this may be innocent!

[mike tesko]

I can tell you all now with 100% certainty, that Jeremy Bamber was not inside the farmhouse when any of the five victims were shot and killed! But I have reservations about him showing his sister how to load bullets into the family owned anshuzt rifle and fire it! Then again, they lived on a farm where as everyone is surely aware, there is a need for pest and vermin control, so even if Jeremy had shown Sheila how to load and fire the anshuzt rifle, the reasons for him doing this may be innocent!

When I questioned Jeremy about what Pamela Boutflour said June had told her about Jeremy showing Sheila how to load bullets into the anshuzt rifle, and she then firing it, he admitted to me that he had given her lessons at some stage, but he also added that David Boutflour had also given her lessons involving other firearms, in particular shotguns and Jeremy told me that Sheila had been on grouse shoots in Scotland with David Boutflour, etc, etc, etc...

[mike tesko]

I do not think Jeremy showing Sheila how to load bullets into the anshuzt rifle and fire it, justifies any suggestion that this in itself somehow implicates Jeremy in the shootings!

[mike tesko]

I do not think Jeremy showing Sheila how to load bullets into the anshuzt rifle and fire it, justifies any suggestion that this in itself somehow implicates Jeremy in the shootings!

Since, David Boutflour was responsible for doing the same - does this then implicate David Boutflour as Sheila's accomplice'?

[mike tesko]

Since, David Boutflour was responsible for doing the same - does this then implicate David Boutflour as Sheila's accomplice'?

I think not!

[mike tesko]

But if Jeremy had been with Sheila when they were all killed?.............................

Jeremy wasn't there inside the farmhouse when Sheila shot and killed the other four, or when she died as a result of her being shot by the police! There would have been some physical trace evidence to  establish his presence there if he had been there, but none existed, and none exists! When Neville Bamber called police as per his 3.26am call log, he told cops that 'My daughter has gone berserk', and that 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns', why would Neville Bamber say this to police, if Jeremy was there in the farmhouse as well? Furthermore,  why would Neville call Jeremy and quickly tell him that 'Sheila has got the gun', and was going crazy', if Jeremy was not in his cottage by that stage! Similarly, why would Jeremy attempt to contact somebody at Witham police station but gets no response, and then call Julie Mugford to tell her, 'there's something wrong at home', to which she responded, 'go back to bed', and afterwards why would Jeremy call PC West at 3.36am, and recount to him, what Neville had told him earlier using the same phraseology Neville had spoken to him, Jeremy told PC West what Neville had said to him, 'Sheila has the gun, she has gone crazy come quickly', he did not tell PC West, 'My daughter has gone berserk', and 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns'. And, if the truth be known, PC West would not alter what Jeremy told him, when PC West updated Malcolm Bonnett to tell him that the son of Mr Bamber had contacted CD' with a message, who in turn entered this information into Neville Bambers existing 3.26am call log! Malcolm Bonnett would not edit what PC West told him what Jeremy said Neville Bamber had told him! There would be no need to alter Jeremy's words because PC West had accurately recorded what Jeremy told him in so far as the phraseology of 'Sheila has got the gun', and 'she is going crazy', or 'come quickly'. Bonnett had already recorded the words of Neville Bamber in his 3.26am call log, 'Daughter has gone berserk', and 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns', so all that was required once Jeremy called PC West at 3.36am, was for PC West to put Jeremy on hold whilst West spoke to Bonnett and informed him that the son of Neville Bamber had contacted CD' regarding an incident police were already aware of, and dealing with!

[mike tesko]

As for when the rifle in photograph No. 23 was taken and who took it - well it certainly wasn't a photograph that was taken by PC Bird (SOCO) and although both he and 'Ron' Cook testified during the trial that PC Bird had taken that picture (23) after he had photographed Sheila's body in the main bedroom, this can now be proven to be a damn right lie, as was 'Ron' Cooks claim that he it was who had removed the rifle from Sheila's body and he it was who had placed it by the main bedroom window prior to photograph no. 23 was in fact taken! Yet another damn right lie, because by reference to the COLP photographic schedule, photo' no. 23, was taken before PC Bird photographed Sheila's body in the main bedroom! Furthermore, photograph no. 23 was taken in the main bedroom during the hour long 'informatives' between 9 am and 10 am, prior to Cook, Bird, Davidson and Hammersley took control of the scene! Therefore, without a shadow of doubt 'Ron' Cook could not have placed the anshuzt rifle at the main bedroom window from the body of Sheila Caffell, because photograph no. 23 was taken before Cook had any chance of removing a gun from her body and placing it against the main bedroom window! He lied, so did PC Bird regarding who took photo' no. 23...

It was taken by Oakey / Henderson whilst senior officers performed 'informatives'...

[Jane]

Jeremy wasn't there inside the farmhouse when Sheila shot and killed the other four, or when she died as a result of her being shot by the police! There would have been some physical trace evidence to  establish his presence there if he had been there, but none existed, and none exists! When Neville Bamber called police as per his 3.26am call log, he told cops that 'My daughter has gone berserk', and that 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns', why would Neville Bamber say this to police, if Jeremy was there in the farmhouse as well? Furthermore,  why would Neville call Jeremy and quickly tell him that 'Sheila has got the gun', and was going crazy', if Jeremy was not in his cottage by that stage! Similarly, why would Jeremy attempt to contact somebody at Witham police station but gets no response, and then call Julie Mugford to tell her, 'there's something wrong at home', to which she responded, 'go back to bed', and afterwards why would Jeremy call PC West at 3.36am, and recount to him, what Neville had told him earlier using the same phraseology Neville had spoken to him, Jeremy told PC West what Neville had said to him, 'Sheila has the gun, she has gone crazy come quickly', he did not tell PC West, 'My daughter has gone berserk', and 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns'. And, if the truth be known, PC West would not alter what Jeremy told him, when PC West updated Malcolm Bonnett to tell him that the son of Mr Bamber had contacted CD' with a message, who in turn entered this information into Neville Bambers existing 3.26am call log! Malcolm Bonnett would not edit what PC West told him what Jeremy said Neville Bamber had told him! There would be no need to alter Jeremy's words because PC West had accurately recorded what Jeremy told him in so far as the phraseology of 'Sheila has got the gun', and 'she is going crazy', or 'come quickly'. Bonnett had already recorded the words of Neville Bamber in his 3.26am call log, 'Daughter has gone berserk', and 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns', so all that was required once Jeremy called PC West at 3.36am, was for PC West to put Jeremy on hold whilst West spoke to Bonnett and informed him that the son of Neville Bamber had contacted CD' regarding an incident police were already aware of, and dealing with!

Please clarify how there could NOT be "some physical trace evidence to establish his presence"!!! We KNOW he'd been there. He SAID he'd been there. Why would traces of his presence, at the time we KNOW he was there because he SAID he was there, be any different from traces of his presence, say a couple of hours later?