The rifle in the window.

[mike tesko]

You have got it wrong, Jeremy was basically fucking thick as pig shit not articulate, and certainly not well educated! What qualifications did he have by that stage?

If Jeremy Bamber was as intellectual and intelligent as your trying to make out, why would he have embarked on trying to kill three generations of his own extended family and hope to be able to get away with it? It's all nonsense what your alleging, you don't have a clue regarding the things your talking about! How the xxxx could Jeremy Bamber control the xxxxxxx dishonest actions in his case of the corrupt and dishonest police and CPS?  Sheila was dead downstairs, she was dead upstairs on the bed, she was dead on the bedroom floor! Oh, and Jeremy was able to influence all of this using his superior mind control - yeah, of course he did!

[Jan]

If Jeremy Bamber was as intellectual and intelligent as your trying to make out, why would he have embarked on trying to kill three generations of his own extended family and hope to be able to get away with it? It's all nonsense what your alleging, you don't have a clue regarding the things your talking about! How the xxxx could Jeremy Bamber control the xxxxxxxx dishonest actions in his case of the corrupt and dishonest police and CPS?  Sheila was dead downstairs, she was dead upstairs on the bed, she was dead on the bedroom floor! Oh, and Jeremy was able to influence all of this using his superior mind control - yeah, of course he did!

Yes motive is one of the criteria that I don't get . He had a comfortable life with good prospects as far as I can see.

[mike tesko]

Say that to others who were educated at Greshams. It's not Gresham's fault if Jeremy chose not to work. He had the same opportunity as his fellow pupils. Has there been any proof, from his teachers/house master/head/fellow pupils that Jeremy was thick? I HAVE seen idiots who've been to public school but it could NEVER be said that they weren't articulate.

Take it from me Jeremy was not that bright, which is one of the reasons which endeared me to him, I wanted to help if I could, his solicitors and barrister had abandoned him, he was at his wits end, why shouldn't someone like me not want to help him if I could?

[Jane]

Yes motive is one of the criteria that I don't get . He had a comfortable life with good prospects as far as I can see.

Jan, it's all relative. From where I was in 1985 he had a wonderful life. I'll bet his working week on the farm was probably little more than Tuesday to Thursday so he could enjoy the long weekends. However, he MAY have met others who were wealthier and felt hard done by in comparison.

[mike tesko]

And I promised him, that if I could that I would most definitely help him, providing he told me the truth regarding anything and everything I might choose to ask of him!

[Jane]

Take it from me Jeremy was not that bright, which is one of the reasons which endeared me to him, I wanted to help if I could, his solicitors and barrister had abandoned him, he was at his wits end, why shouldn't someone like me not want to help him if I could?

Mike, I imagine he'd have felt lost. I'm certain that what intellect he had left him when he found himself in prison, somewhere that, never in a million years did he ever think to find himself. I find it strange that, if they believed him innocent, his solicitors and barrister abandoned him but I understand that he'd have felt abandoned.

[mike tesko]

And I promised him, that if I could that I would most definitely help him, providing he told me the truth regarding anything and everything I might choose to ask of him!

In all the time I spent incarcerated with Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, and the years I visited him as his McKensie man, he never once told me anything which caused me concern, sufficient enough to warrant me disassociating myself from him and his cause, except on one occasion where I said to him that I thought his sister might have had an accomplice! When he asked me who that might be, and I told him I thought that he could have been his sister's accomplice, Jeremy said to me, 'You clever Bastard'...

Only then did I think that Jeremy might have encouraged his sister to shoot her family!

[Jane]

In all the time I spent incarcerated with Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, and the years I visited him as his McKensie man, he never once told me anything which caused me concern, sufficient enough to warrant me disassociating myself from him and his cause, except on one occasion where I said to him that I thought his sister might have had an accomplice! When he asked me who that might be, and I told him I thought that he could have been his sister's accomplice, Jeremy said to me, 'You clever Bastard'...

Only then did I think that Jeremy might have encouraged his sister to shoot her family!

Go on.....................

[mike tesko]

In all the time I spent incarcerated with Jeremy at HMP Full Sutton, and the years I visited him as his McKensie man, he never once told me anything which caused me concern, sufficient enough to warrant me disassociating myself from him and his cause, except on one occasion where I said to him that I thought his sister might have had an accomplice! When he asked me who that might be, and I told him I thought that he could have been his sister's accomplice, Jeremy said to me, 'You clever Bastard'...

Only then did I think that Jeremy might have encouraged his sister to shoot her family!

Yet, despite this belief or idea of mine, I never once suspected and still do not suspect that Jeremy was there inside the farmhouse when any of the four victims that got shot by Sheila, or at the time Sheila herself got shot, that Jeremy had been there inside the farmhouse physically encouraging his sister to shoot and kill the others! I am totally convinced that he had nothing whatsoever to do with Sheila's own purported death downstairs in the kitchen, or her death upstairs on the bed, or the bedroom floor!

[Jane]

Yet, despite this belief or idea of mine, I never once suspected and still do not suspect that Jeremy was there inside the farmhouse when any of the four victims that got shot by Sheila, or at the time Sheila herself got shot, that Jeremy had been there inside the farmhouse physically encouraging his sister to shoot and kill the others! I am totally convinced that he had nothing whatsoever to do with Sheila's own purported death downstairs in the kitchen, or her death upstairs on the bed, or the bedroom floor!

That's a disappointment. To make any sort of sense to me I'm afraid you'll need to suspend at least part of that belief. Shall we say adjust your thinking? Not easy with a long held one.

[mike tesko]

Go on.....................

 But I was influenced by the fact that June Bamber had once told her sister Pamela Boutflour, that Jeremy had been teaching Sheila how to load and fire the anshuzt rifle, and that during the last afternoon on this earth Sheila had taken some sandwiches to the field where Jeremy had been working the farm tractor and trailor! According to Jeremy she had one of her son's with her at the time, the favoured one, 'Nicholas'! She spent about half an hour talking to Jeremy there in the field at that time, although I never enquired about what they talked about together on that occasion..

I had my ideas, but I never put these to Jeremy at all, I bided my time, keeping my thoughts to myself, building up a picture in my mind's eye about what they could or might have talked about on that occasion! Then there surfaced the coded suicide note found on the bedside cabinet! My interpretation included the fact that Sheila must give Jeremy a call, after this, that and the other..

[mike tesko]

But I was influenced by the fact that June Bamber had once told her sister Pamela Boutflour, that Jeremy had been teaching Sheila how to load and fire the anshuzt rifle, and that during the last afternoon on this earth Sheila had taken some sandwiches to the field where Jeremy had been working the farm tractor and trailor! According to Jeremy she had one of her son's with her at the time, the favoured one, 'Nicholas'! She spent about half an hour talking to Jeremy there in the field at that time, although I never enquired about what they talked about together on that occasion..

I had my ideas, but I never put these to Jeremy at all, I bided my time, keeping my thoughts to myself, building up a picture in my mind's eye about what they could or might have talked about on that occasion! Then there surfaced the coded suicide note found on the bedside cabinet! My interpretation included the fact that Sheila must give Jeremy a call, after this, that and the other..

I am now not even sure that the coded note, was in fact the suicide note referred to by the police, exhibit DRH/42, since I am led to believe another note was seized! Jeremy himself at one time suspected the handwritten note in the folded pages of the Bible was the suicide note, entitled 'Love one another'...

[Jane]

But I was influenced by the fact that June Bamber had once told her sister Pamela Boutflour, that Jeremy had been teaching Sheila how to load and fire the anshuzt rifle, and that during the last afternoon on this earth Sheila had taken some sandwiches to the field where Jeremy had been working the farm tractor and trailor! According to Jeremy she had one of her son's with her at the time, the favoured one, 'Nicholas'! She spent about half an hour talking to Jeremy there in the field at that time, although I never enquired about what they talked about together on that occasion..

I had my ideas, but I never put these to Jeremy at all, I bided my time, keeping my thoughts to myself, building up a picture in my mind's eye about what they could or might have talked about on that occasion! Then there surfaced the coded suicide note found on the bedside cabinet! My interpretation included the fact that Sheila must give Jeremy a call, after this, that and the other..

Perhaps, if you can focus on that something might come back to you?

[Jane]

I am now not even sure that the coded note, was in fact the suicide note referred to by the police, exhibit DRH/42, since I am led to believe another note was seized! Jeremy himself at one time suspected the handwritten note in the folded pages of the Bible was the suicide note, entitled 'Love one another'...

I'd feel far more inclined to believe that a 'suicide' note might have been concocted by a brother and sister planning some sort of revenge on, what they saw as, controlling parents, than believe it to be the hand of a psychotic.

[mike tesko]

I am now not even sure that the coded note, was in fact the suicide note referred to by the police, exhibit DRH/42, since I am led to believe another note was seized! Jeremy himself at one time suspected the handwritten note in the folded pages of the Bible was the suicide note, entitled 'Love one another'...

when trying to come to terms with the meaning and purpose of the aforementioned coded note, I was mindful of DCI 'Taff' Jones belief, that Sheila had frogmarched Neville Bamber downstairs at the point of a gun and got him to make a call to Jeremy at his cottage in Goldhanger, to try and lure Jeremy to the farmhouse so that she could kill him as well!