The rifle in the window.

[Steve_uk]

They were small rooms for such a big Georgian edifice.

[Jan]

Anyone any good with photos ? All three arrowed  items I don't understand but how can there be something on he wall to the right of the window in one photo and not on the other ?

[lookout]

This is why I think the rooms are different.

[Jan]

The door handles on the main bedroom don't look like that though.

Here is the picture with nothing on the wall to the right of the window

[lookout]

So which room,or where was all that claptrap moved to which was beneath the window ?

[Jan]

So which room,or where was all that claptrap moved to which was beneath the window ?

Who knows I just don't get it . Unless there is an identical set of stairs in another part of the house

[lookout]

Who knows I just don't get it . Unless there is an identical set of stairs in another part of the house

I've never fathomed it out since I've been on the forum because I noticed it straight away and have never been happy about the set-up. I don't know at all.

[Jan]

Well there are two staircases ? I think?

Could they have been the same ?

[lookout]

It's a possibility,but I really don't know.

[Jan]

Some room plans

I can't see that the photo into the room was taken from any other staircase ?

[nugnug]

you dont have to have that muh experience to know what a riffle looks like it.

[mike tesko]

The rifle pictured at the window from the vantage point of the middle landing on the main stairs is definitely the main bedroom, you can see June Bambers hand at the bottom right hand side of the door opening in the same photograph!

I have an explanation regarding the differences involving the items on the chair in this photograph that was taken prior to 10 am by DC Oakey or DC Henderson (both part of the first SOC team which took photographs and a crime scene video at the time senior officers performed 'informatives' inside the main bedroom between 9 and 10am), and the subsequent staging of the scene and in particular the movement of the two bodies from on top of the bed, onto the bedroom floor on either side of the aforementioned bed!

[mike tesko]

First of all, everyone should remember the sighting of the silhotted figure seen by PC Myalls, PS Bews, and Jeremy Bamber, standing and moving about in front of the main bedroom window! Forget the nonsense spouted by PS Bews about it being a trick of light, because he knows it was a living person they all saw, and had to have been either Neville Bamber, June Bamber, or Sheila Caffell! Bews knew full well by the time he came to testify during the October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial, that if he acknowledged the presence of a living person inside the farmhouse (i.e. a person at the main bedroom window) with Jeremy outside in the grounds with himself and PC Myalls, that the case being pursued against Jeremy Bamber would have collapsed there and then! That's why Bews dishonestly claimed it was a trick of light! Notice, how PC Myalls did not make the same claim, and he was there outside alongside Bews and Jeremy! Instead, PC Myalls describes the sighting of this person as an unidentified male, as per the very first entry in a police record entitled 'THE MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT'..

The following therefore needs to be taken into account..

If the silhotted figure that was seen at and beyond the main bedroom window was Sheila Caffell, it means that Jeremy did not shoot her dead, either downstairs in the kitchen alongside the body of Neville Bamber, and that he could not and did not shoot his sister dead upstairs in the main bedroom, nor stage her death scene there on the main bedroom floor to promote the idea that she had committed suicide! Secondly, if the silhotted figure was or had been June Bamber, then Jeremy could not be held accountable for shooting June dead between the eyes, or for staging her death scene either on top of the bed, or by somehow moving her body against the door to the main bedroom! Thirdly, if the silhotted figure was or had been Neville Bamber, then Jeremy could not have been involved in a struggle which led to his death downstairs in the kitchen - such a struggle would have to have occurred after the sighting of the figure at and beyond the main bedroom window! Neville was killed off during this struggle, so it goes without question that if the silhoetted figure had been Neville Bamber that Jeremy can't have struggled with him, beat him, over powered him and killed him off in the kitchen later!

PS Bews did not shit in his trousers and dash back to the police patrol car that was being manned by PS Saxby  and pass a situation report requesting that firearms to be deployed to the scene immediately because of a trick of light at the main bedroom window! He told the control room that they (himself, Myall and Jeremy Bamber) had just witnessed somebody standing, and moving about suspiciously inside the main bedroom window, who could possibly have been armed with a gun!

[mike tesko]

First of all, everyone should remember the sighting of the silhotted figure seen by PC Myalls, PS Bews, and Jeremy Bamber, standing and moving about in front of the main bedroom window! Forget the nonsense spouted by PS Bews about it being a trick of light, because he knows it was a living person they all saw, and had to have been either Neville Bamber, June Bamber, or Sheila Caffell! Bews knew full well by the time he came to testify during the October 1986 Chelmsford Crown Court trial, that if he acknowledged the presence of a living person inside the farmhouse (i.e. a person at the main bedroom window) with Jeremy outside in the grounds with himself and PC Myalls, that the case being pursued against Jeremy Bamber would have collapsed there and then! That's why Bews dishonestly claimed it was a trick of light! Notice, how PC Myalls did not make the same claim, and he was there outside alongside Bews and Jeremy! Instead, PC Myalls describes the sighting of this person as an unidentified male, as per the very first entry in a police record entitled 'THE MAJOR INCIDENT PROJECT'..

The following therefore needs to be taken into account..

If the silhotted figure that was seen at and beyond the main bedroom window was Sheila Caffell, it means that Jeremy did not shoot her dead, either downstairs in the kitchen alongside the body of Neville Bamber, and that he could not and did not shoot his sister dead upstairs in the main bedroom, nor stage her death scene there on the main bedroom floor to promote the idea that she had committed suicide! Secondly, if the silhotted figure was or had been June Bamber, then Jeremy could not be held accountable for shooting June dead between the eyes, or for staging her death scene either on top of the bed, or by somehow moving her body against the door to the main bedroom! Thirdly, if the silhotted figure was or had been Neville Bamber, then Jeremy could not have been involved in a struggle which led to his death downstairs in the kitchen - such a struggle would have to have occurred after the sighting of the figure at and beyond the main bedroom window! Neville was killed off during this struggle, so it goes without question that if the silhoetted figure had been Neville Bamber that Jeremy can't have struggled with him, beat him, over powered him and killed him off in the kitchen later!

PS Bews did not shit in his trousers and dash back to the police patrol car that was being manned by PS Saxby  and pass a situation report requesting that firearms to be deployed to the scene immediately because of a trick of light at the main bedroom window! He told the control room that they (himself, Myall and Jeremy Bamber) had just witnessed somebody standing, and moving about suspiciously inside the main bedroom window, who could possibly have been armed with a gun!

it therefore, matters not a jot, who the person inside the main bedroom window was, at the time they were seen by Myalls, Bews and Jeremy, since the eventual death of that person inside the farmhouse, be it Neville Bambers death downstairs in the kitchen, Sheila's supposed suicide either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or on the bedroom floor, or June Bambers death on the bed, or by the main bedroom door on the floor, simply because in each instance of these three adult victims deaths, there had to occur something so unique in the way they all died and how their bodies were staged! In at least one of these three instances, the last of these three to actually die could not have been at the hand of Jeremy Bamber, because at least one of these three victims was still alive inside the main bedroom and moving around suspiciously when observed by the two police officers and Jeremy who were outside in the grounds of the farmhouse, a sighting which caused PS Bews to shit his trousers, and request that the firearms team be deployed to the scene immediately!

[mike tesko]

it therefore, matters not a jot, who the person inside the main bedroom window was, at the time they were seen by Myalls, Bews and Jeremy, since the eventual death of that person inside the farmhouse, be it Neville Bambers death downstairs in the kitchen, Sheila's supposed suicide either downstairs in the kitchen, or upstairs on the bed, or on the bedroom floor, or June Bambers death on the bed, or by the main bedroom door on the floor, simply because in each instance of these three adult victims deaths, there had to occur something so unique in the way they all died and how their bodies were staged! In at least one of these three instances, the last of these three to actually die could not have been at the hand of Jeremy Bamber, because at least one of these three victims was still alive inside the main bedroom and moving around suspiciously when observed by the two police officers and Jeremy who were outside in the grounds of the farmhouse, a sighting which caused PS Bews to shit his trousers, and request that the firearms team be deployed to the scene immediately!

Then of course, and not simply by coincidence, lights in different rooms of the farmhouse were being switched on and off, and curtains at windows were being closed and opened! These activities were not being performed by Crispy the dog, but by someone, at least one of the three adult victims still being alive in different parts of the farmhouse! Then at 5.47am, the off the hook phone line from the farmhouse mysteriously became 'engaged'! By 6.08am, the operator was patching through to police in the control room a call being made by someone inside the farmhouse via the 999 system! Somebody (and certainly not Crispy the dog) requested that two ambulances be brought to the incident straight away, one ambulance to go directly to the farmhouse, the second ambulance to remain on standby parked up in nearby Pages Lane! The funny thing regarding this call which was patched through to cops via the open 999 call system, was terminated at 7.47am, after only two of the five bodies were reportedly dead downstairs in the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, found in kitchen upon entry', oh and 'two bodies, a murder and a suicide'...

Crispy the dog was still alive when police got into the farmhouse, so there can be no possibility of it being a dog trick by claiming that one of the two reported deaths included the death of the dog!

Clearly, somebody still alive inside the farmhouse, whilst Jeremy was outside in the company of the police!

I think these are sufficient reasons for accepting that Jeremy Bamber was not the killer!