The rifle in the window.

[mike tesko]

The absolute truth in this matter, is as follows..

[mike tesko]

The absolute truth in this matter, is as follows..

In the vast majority of cases, you cannot trust police officers, they are literally criminals in uniform!

You cannot trust the CPS, they have license to fabricate and conspire against any defendant who is unfortunate enough to stand trial!, Without fear of ever being prosecuted for the Lies they tell, and promote!

You cannot trust in general, the Magistrates court system, it is there not to protect the public at large, but the criminals who operate within its system, including the police and the local CPS...

You cannot trust in general, the Crown Court system, because any defendant who stands trial is at an immediate disadvantage, guilty until proven innocent! If you are such a defendant and you fall into a particular category, the system works against justice, it favours the criminals in uniform, it's witnesses, the magistrates who sent the case for whatever reason to the crown court from the magistrates court, and they believe all the lies spouted by the CPS who are criminals in their own right, who cannot be prosecuted for telling lies, and generally fabricating evidence on a huge scale!

There is no such thing as 'a fair trial'. The prosecuting authorities will believe everything it's witnesses are prepared to say, even if it's a damn right lie!

The media, sensationalise the lies promoted by cops, the CPS, and reinforced by corrupt magistrate decisions, and the Crown court system!

All defendants should be tried not by brainwashed jurors, but by defendants convicted of offences which are similar to those a defendant stands accused of! In general, ordinary members of the public do not have a clue about what really goes on, involving the criminals in uniform, and the system which seeks to promote injustice!

Criminals in uniform hardly ever get prosecuted, even when there is an abundance of evidence available (all true) capable of convicting these low life public servants! If the truth be known, the extent of their dishonesty the greater it is, serves to work in their favour, they quite often get promoted, and receive dishonest pension rights!

Don't ever ask a police officer the time of day, its response might be affected by factors irrelevant to you - these criminals in uniform can make the time of day or night, anything they want or need it to be!

Cops are vicious thugs, they love inflicting violence on vulnerable suspects, they beat people, they kill people in custody, these low life scumbag criminals in uniform are absolutely and totally despicable! They lie, they fabricate, they role play, they are the spawn of the devil..

You cannot always trust or believe anything a cop / prosecution witness might say - this is because the witnesses themselves may not even make their own witness statements, crooked dishonest cops decide what goes into a witnesses witness statement!

You simply cannot rely upon, or trust, anything a criminal in uniform does, or says, or how they manipulate a prosecution witnesses statement which is invariably paraphrased by one of these crooked criminalised cops in uniform!

These criminals, the entire lot of them, think they are better than ordinary folk, but they are low life criminals in uniform and office!

I will now give the correct interpretation of what happened in the case of photographs taken inside the main bedroom at whf...

[Jan]

my specific questions are this

in the two pictures that we have established are CS photos

1) in the view from the stairs and the view from the room the chair / chairs on the side where june was found look different and have different items on them
2) if the view from the stairs with the rifle was taken after all the other photos of june and Sheila why is it photo 23 where as their photos are photo 26 on wards
3) right in the area where shots are supposed to have been fired from there is a neatly placed pair of shoes ? how come they were not disturbed in the shooting ?

[lookout]

 I'll give this a miss Jan as I remain convinced that they're two different rooms.
A piled-up heap of items can't suddenly disappear,nor can the curtains suddenly change colour and length.
Window casements in both rooms are different,as is the height from skirting board to window-sill.

Where the gun was spotted is a different room to where Sheila and June were found.

[Jan]

I'll give this a miss Jan as I remain convinced that they're two different rooms.
A piled-up heap of items can't suddenly disappear,nor can the curtains suddenly change colour and length.
Window casements in both rooms are different,as is the height from skirting board to window-sill.

Where the gun was spotted is a different room to where Sheila and June were found.

No They are not different rooms . They are the same room .

[lookout]

No They are not different rooms . They are the same room .

There's a window with nothing on the sill at all and gives a clearer picture of the difference between the two.

[Jan]

Can someone explain this photo?

This does look like a genuine crime scene photo ( blood on pillow, teddies etc)

1) the chair and what is on the chair does not look the same as the other angle
2) right in the area where the police said shots could be fired from , very neatly on the corner of the rug is a pair of shoes? How come these were not rptripped over or moved in all the commotion ?

lookout if you open this picture on your computer you will see the staircase where the other picture is taken from

[Jan]

They are the same room Lookout Maybe the image below helps.

Bird took pictures in the room, then left and was called back back upstairs again. During that time the rifle was removed, presumably they moved other items out of the way also,  I don't really know though.

in this one is the staircase

[Jan]

sorry open picture in post 155

[lookout]

 It has to be the same room doesn't it ? Yet my mind veers to a different window altogether and I don't know why.

[lookout]

Then of course if the object in the window is the rifle,then the bedroom would be the place,obviously,as that's where it was eventually found after its last " use ".

Sheila was right in her calculations/notes,that police would be there. This is what she must have envisaged before taking her own life.

[Jan]

It has to be the same room doesn't it ? Yet my mind veers to a different window altogether and I don't know why.

Still does not answer the questions though .

[lookout]

Still does not answer the questions though .

No it doesn't. There are all kinds of uncertainties.

[Jan]

There is hope yet  murderer convicted after the wrong man had been in jail for 40 years!  And it shows what lengths the police would go to even to get the wrong man😤


The jury heard Hough was 16 when he attacked Janet, who was choked as she was repeatedly and violently raped.

But within days police had arrested Mr Jones, who was 18 at the time and an illiterate scrap dealer from the gypsy community. He eventually pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was jailed for 12 years.

Mr Jones told Hough's trial that he had been browbeaten and "coerced" into making a false confession by detectives conducting the investigation, which took place in the years before the landmark 1984 Police and Criminal Evidence Act when police interviews were not tape-recorded and access to solicitors for suspects was often denied.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has launched an investigation into the conduct of North Wales Police over the matter.

[lookout]

Those kind of convictions seemed commonplace in the days before DNA and computerized technology.

When you compare how investigations were carried out then and how it's done now,it fills you with horror that the world and his wife were allowed to tread all around a place after a mass murder had been committed. No way would that ever be allowed now. It was never treated as a murder scene.