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Re: The rifle in the window.
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2017, 09:36:PM »
"On top of all these 'inconsistencies', there is also the fact that when both DI Cook and PC Bird testified during Bambers trial, they both wrongly claimed that photograph 23 which showed the rifle leaning against the main bedroom window was taken 'after' the other photographs (26 to 33, inclusive) which showed the same rifle on Sheila's body. Yet, photograph No.23 was clearly taken by PC Bird before the other aforementioned photographs. Another thing worthy of note, is that PC Bird stated during his testimony that ' he did not know who had put the rifle at the bedroom window before he took photograph 23', whereas DI Cook stated he had removed it from Sheila's body, had handed it to PI Montgomery to check and make safe, then Cook had placed it at the bedroom window, before PC Bird had come alon"

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« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2017, 09:48:PM »
Presumably this was after Jeapes's first sighting at 07.15.


Having looked back at a few posts regarding the room with the rifle in the window,it had been referred to as the box room.

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« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2017, 09:53:PM »
Why is it complicated . The police said it was them that placed the rifle in the main bedroom window.

IF the photos are of two different rooms then that is not true is it ?

Why? It seems to have had a life of it's own. Isn't it possible that it got moved/fell? -after being placed in the main bedroom window- whilst other pictures were taken

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« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2017, 09:56:PM »
Why? It seems to have had a life of it's own. Isn't it possible that it got moved/fell? -after being placed in the main bedroom window- whilst other pictures were taken

What fell into another room?


All I am trying to establish is if the photos are of the same room or not ?

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« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2017, 12:25:PM »
bumping up for help .

If these are two different rooms does it make the statement of the police in court about the photo incorrect?


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« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2017, 12:27:PM »
bumping up for help .

If these are two different rooms does it make the statement of the police in court about the photo incorrect?




I imagine so.

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« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2017, 12:31:PM »
What fell into another room?


All I am trying to establish is if the photos are of the same room or not ?

Did I suggest it "fell" in a different room? Personally I think they're pictures of different rooms, unless one picture was taken of the room as they found it and the other was taken after it had been tidied................but why would they?

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« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2017, 12:35:PM »
Did I suggest it "fell" in a different room? Personally I think they're pictures of different rooms, unless one picture was taken of the room as they found it and the other was taken after it had been tidied................but why would they?

If they are different rooms then the explanation given  in court when the photo was queried was false .

And it could mean there was another rifle that was taken away ?


I am not expecting to get answers I am just puzzled at the moment .

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« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2017, 12:40:PM »
If they are different rooms then the explanation given  in court when the photo was queried was false .

And it could mean there was another rifle that was taken away ?


I am not expecting to get answers I am just puzzled at the moment .

They are the same room. It is the main bedroom.

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« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2017, 12:41:PM »
I've always maintained that there were two rifles.

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« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2017, 12:44:PM »
They are the same room. It is the main bedroom.

I'm happy to take that as being correct, H. Angles make a huge difference to how things look................however, I guess they weren't taken at the same time?

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« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2017, 12:45:PM »
They are the same room. It is the main bedroom.

So why does one crime scene photo show two chairs away from the window with a  small amount of neatly folded clothes

And the other photo shows a pile of clothes laundry ? rubbish and chairs facing a different direction  closer to the window and other misc items on the sill ?




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« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2017, 12:47:PM »
I'm happy to take that as being correct, H. Angles make a huge difference to how things look................however, I guess they weren't taken at the same time?

so you have changed your mind then .

Well the one with the chairs away from the window does appear to be a crime scene photo as you can see the parcel that appears in other photos

And the one with the rifle allegedly happened as they were taking crime scene photos as well .

So presumably the same day

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« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2017, 12:49:PM »
So why does one crime scene photo show two chairs away from the window with a  small amount of neatly folded clothes

And the other photo shows a pile of clothes laundry ? rubbish and chairs facing a different direction  closer to the window and other misc items on the sill ?
I'm not sure.

This image shows the plastic bag, so presumably they are both taken on the same day.



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« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2017, 12:49:PM »
They are the same room. It is the main bedroom.





Unless you've physically been in those rooms------then I disagree because in one window you have piles of clothes,in the other you have clearance,but that's not the only difference. As I've already pointed out,the overall structures of the window casements are different.