DCI 621 Stuart Smith Specsavers Challenge

[susan]

And you post things then deny posting it.

Adam I did apologise I can do no more and you accepted it was not intentional I had just forgot.

[Caroline]

So what is the crescent dark line then?  What kind of bloodstain begins or ends in such a formation? 

And what's the raw looking indent on the inside of the bottom of her index?  Is that also just an isolated rectangular bloodstain?     Nothing to do with gripping a rifle then... given that she was the original prime suspect?
 



Steve, how does an injured person on the brink of death move their arm back and forth below their neck wound in order to receive four blobs of blood in succession? 

Also - how many fingers do we have on a human hand - minus the thumb?  When you grab something like an arm (from a certain angle) - you place four fingers on top and a thumb undereath or to the side.

Lets agree for a moment that they are some kind of lacerations (although the term is a bit over the top), Looking at the following picture, there are linear marks leading fro what you say are fingernail gouge marks



However, Nevill had similar marks and so IF (and it's a BIG IF) they are inuries, they may be defence wounds and the crescent formed from the rifle barrel.

[Adam]

Sheila was so out of it from Haloperodol & sedation I doubt Bamber had to be aggressive with her.

There was a lot blood on the floor around Sheila as well as on the bible & her nightdress. So not surprising there are a few blood marks on her arm and back of her hand.
 

[Adam]

Adam I did apologise I can do no more and you accepted it was not intentional I had just forgot.

Hopefully Roch will clear everything up today & tell the forum how he got to see the evidence he can't disclose & if it is now with JB's legal advisors.

He was posting on this thread yesterday & must have fogotten to answer.

[David1819]

Several observations.

They cannot be deep cuts as there is not enough bleeding. They are most likely to be lacerations.

I have always gone with nails as the most probable answer. But I am not convinced they are.

The position of the marks unfortunately is over an area of skin that is variable and pliant depending on what the person is doing (specially the thumb). If you were to clench Sheila's hand into a fist those marks will change somewhat. So it will be difficult to know exactly what caused them by just a photo.

[susan]

Hopefully Roch will clear everything up today & tell the forum how he got to see the evidence he can't disclose & if it is now with JB's legal advisors.

He was posting on this thread yesterday & must have fogotten to answer.

Hello Adam

Roch may disclose more information when he is next on.

[susan]

Several observations.

They cannot be deep cuts as there is not enough bleeding. They are most likely to be lacerations.

I have always gone with nails as the most probable answer. But I am not convinced they are.

The position of the marks unfortunately is over an area of skin that is variable and pliant depending on what the person is doing (specially the thumb). If you were to clench Sheila's hand into a fist those marks will change somewhat. So it will be difficult to know exactly what caused them by just a photo.

David
do you see lacerations or not irrespective of what caused them what else could have caused them but a persons nails or a big cat.

[Caroline]

David
do you see lacerations or not irrespective of what caused them what else could have caused them but a persons nails or a big cat.

Or the barrel of the rifle.

[notsure]

Fingers and palms were free from blood, it's just transfer from her wrist, have a look at the wider angle photographs in the library.

Well they look like finger prints to me too

[Adam]

Hello Adam

Roch may disclose more information when he is next on.

Lets hope so. Obviously if it's been passed to Bamber's legal team, he will be released this year & the industrial 32 year frame will be exposed.

[susan]

Well they look like finger prints to me too

Hello notsure do they look like gauge marks or fingers scrapes to you too.  I have looked at them time and time again and I see what I see but all our eyes are different and we all see different things Caroline thinks they maybe have been caused by the barrel of the rifle but who am I to dispute this she may well be right

[ngb1066]

Looks like at least one crescent gouge which has then also scraped the skin.  The marks next to it have also scraped the skin in the same manner but dont form a clear cresent.  There is a indentation which is not easy to make out on the inside of her index finger / thumb span.

I agree.  That's how it appears to me.

[Caroline]

I agree.  That's how it appears to me.

If they are injuries, it would be completely impossible to say what caused them.

[Roch]

I agree.  That's how it appears to me.

Neil - we must share the same optical prescription.

[ngb1066]

 

Neil - we must share the same optical prescription.