Summary of points 47-51 of 2002 appeal. Is this the end ?

[susan]

Hopefully no one will continue saying Sheila committed the massacre.

The silencer & 20 other pieces of forensic evidence from the COA report shows she did not fire a rifle, reload twice or fight a male adult.

Adam I WILL continue to say Sheila murdered her family then killed herself

[lookout]

I will too.

[Adam]

Adam I WILL continue to say Sheila murdered her family then killed herself

I know you want to believe Bamber is innocent. You don't believe you would have identified the twins in Julies position & Roch & Bill have told you they have secret information.

Unfortunately in England, decisions on criminal trials have to be made on evidence. The 20+ pieces of evidence not on Sheila shows she did not fire a weapon 26 times, re load twice and fight a man twice as big as her.

You're unproven counter argument that Sheila changed and had a shower after firing 24 bullets was dismissed on page one. This suggestion had also been dismissed before then as Sheila could not remove all evidence from her after she had killed herself.

It is recommended you debate on the undisputed evidence from primary sources such as the 2002 COA document. Rather than debate on how you would like things to be.

[mike tesko]

I know you want to believe Bamber is innocent. You don't believe you would have identified the twins in Julies position & Roch & Bill have told you they have secret information.

Unfortunately in England, decisions on criminal trials have to be made on evidence. The 20+ pieces of evidence not on Sheila shows she did not fire a weapon 26 times, re load twice and fight a man twice as big as her. Sheila did not fire 26 bullets, and she did fire 24, and no firearm residue tests were ever performed to remotely contradict this! If you know of any firearm residue tests that were ever performed on her hands you need to draw my attention to the evidence because despite being Bambers McKensie man at one stage, I have absolutely no knowkege whatsoever that such tests were ever done! None were to the best of my knowlege and belief!

You're unproven counter argument that Sheila changed and had a shower after firing 24 bullets was dismissed on page one. This suggestion had also been dismissed before then as Sheila could not remove all evidence from her after she had killed herself. Sheila did not kill herself, she was killed!

It is recommended you debate on the undisputed evidence from primary sources such as the 2002 COA document. Rather than debate on how you would like things to be. the findings in the 2002 appeal judgement are erroneous and not factual!

[susan]

I will too.

Hahaha Lookout bet Roch and Bill and Jackie and all the other Jeremy innocent will too

[lookout]

Hahaha Lookout bet Roch and Bill and Jackie and all the other Jeremy innocent will too

They will indeed Susan.

[lookout]

Malpractice and corruption had been evident in all parties who were involved, in putting Jeremy behind bars !

[Adam]

Not sure why posters are going to debate on a real life crime forum, if they are going to ignore 20+ pieces of undisputed evidence which showed Sheila did not fire a rifle, reload & engage in a life or death fight.

It can only be because they want to have a purpose to support.

[susan]

They will indeed Susan.

Lookout we will stay united and keep out of the Library hehehe

[lookout]

Lookout we will stay united and keep out of the Library hehehe

Yes,an empty library is no good to anyone really.

[David1819]

David posting a picture of someone else's foot the CT published is not going to change the situation.

Its Sheila's foot you clown!

[Adam]

Its Sheila's foot you clown!

Is this the best you can do ?

Claim 20+ pieces of undisputed evidence that Sheila didn't fire a weapon is not valid because the COA hearing was in 2002.

Then put up a picture of a clean, unbloodied, undamaged foot and say it is Sheila's.

Pathetic.

[lookout]

Is there a label/proof on the body to say that it is Sheila's foot because I still have my doubts that it's the same.
 I'm fully aware that the body changes after death and that extremities ( fingers/toes ) are the last areas of the body to display RM but----------------
Where did the pic originate from ?

[mike tesko]

No, it doesn't! At best it proves that she did not kill herself - but she certainly shot and killed the other four victims, just like cops knew it had happened from the off! Four murders, but not a suicide, unfortunately! Cops know exactly how and when she died, and they know with 100% certainty that Sheila was not shot and killed by Jeremy, and that he had not staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor, after they reported her death downstairs in the kitchen (7.30am, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am) , as a suicide by 7.45am, and DS Jones and DC Clarke saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, before senior officers arranged for her body to be moved to the bedroom floor during 'informatives - Jones and Clark saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, they would have no idea that after both left the scene having both witnessed Sheila's body on the bed, that senior officers performed 'informatives' which included transferring Sheila's body onto the bedroom floor and placing her body in the recovery position, and afterwards, how they placed the rifle which had been at the first floor window at around 7.15am, in Sheila's possession so that by 10 am PC Bird (SOCO) could take pictures showing the said rifle now in Sheila's possession ...

Not only was Sheila's body moved by the cops during 'informatives', but so to was the anshuzt rifle, from its position at the first floor box room window at 7.15am, onto Sheila's body in time for PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph it there from 10 am, afterwards...

How did the anshuzt rifle get from its original position and location at the first floor box room window (7.15am) as confirmed by WPC Jeapes and PC Brown, onto the body of Sheila Caffell in time for PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph it in Sheila's possession, at 10 O'clock and afterwards by Jeremy Bamber?

Those from the 'Bamber is guilty camp are refusing to answer this criticism because they know with 100% certainty that cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor! Not only do they know this to be true, but Herbert Leon MacDonell knows this to be true!

[mike tesko]

Not only was Sheila's body moved by the cops during 'informatives', but so to was the anshuzt rifle, from its position at the first floor box room window at 7.15am, onto Sheila's body in time for PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph it there from 10 am, afterwards...

How did the anshuzt rifle get from its original position and location at the first floor box room window (7.15am) as confirmed by WPC Jeapes and PC Brown, onto the body of Sheila Caffell in time for PC Bird (SOCO) to photograph it in Sheila's possession, at 10 O'clock and afterwards by Jeremy Bamber?

Those from the 'Bamber is guilty camp are refusing to answer this criticism because they know with 100% certainty that cops staged Sheila Caffells death scene on the bedroom floor! Not only do they know this to be true, but Herbert Leon MacDonell knows this to be true!

Cops framed Bamber for killing his sister, by falsely claiming that he shot her twice with use of a silencer, that he removed a silencer and took it to another part of the farmhouse and supposedly concealed it in a box in a cupboard in the den, and that no-one other than Bamber himself then staged his sisters body on the main bedroom floor to try to fool police into believing that she had taken her own life - what a load of bollocks!

The guilters in this case, can't see the wood for the trees!

The anshuzt rifle was the only rifle found upstairs, it was resting against a first floor box room window at around 7.15am! WPC Jeapes and PC Brown made witness statements to that effect! The anshuzt rifle was there at that first floor box room window prior to the raid team compromising of six armed officers setting off to enter the farmhouse at 7.3oam! How can the only rifle recovered from upstairs in the farmhouse (anshuzt) be at that first floor box room window at 7.15am, and be on top of Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor at one and the same time? Worse still, how can Sheila's body have even been laid on the main bedroom floor when at 7.30am, her body was the female body found in the kitchen upon entry (7.30am, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am), and later (after the arrival of DS Jones and DC Clark to the scene), her body was laid on top of the bed alongside the body of June Bamber with the said anshuzt rifle laid on the bed in-between the two bodies, and a bible on Sheila's chest?

Nobody is making these facts up, its what police officers themselves have said and told one of the relatives (Ann Eaton)...