Summary of points 47-51 of 2002 appeal. Is this the end ?

[susan]

A shower would not remove evidence off her. I posted this on page 1.

Sheila could not change and shower after she had killed herself.

Adam why would EP be looking for residue off Sheila when Taff Jones knew by looking at the scene Sheila had carried out the murders then took her own life obviously it was very evident by what he saw at the scene maybe he saw a suicide note we do not know at this stage.

[susan]

We know that Sheila could not have washed and changed after she'd killed herself 
This is why she did it before she died-----in readiness to meet her Maker.

Hello lookout I remember when our Patti posted about her Aunt who took her own life she bathed changed into her best clothes before she took her life some like to think they have to present themselves to their maker as tidy as possible all human beings are different and I think Sheila bathed and changed her clothes before she shot herself

[guest7363]

She wasn't bothered about her children being tidy and her parents ready to meet her maker?  She must have washed everywhere baring her feet then?  Her nightdress wasn't clean it had blood on it so anyone wanting to look neat and tidy would have chose a different suicide method than shooting themselves twice and probably put some pants on or doesn't this count then with ladies?

[guest7363]

Adam why would EP be looking for residue off Sheila when Taff Jones knew by looking at the scene Sheila had carried out the murders then took her own life obviously it was very evident by what he saw at the scene maybe he saw a suicide note we do not know at this stage.

Because he thought it murder suicide like everyone did st first, also Bamber set it up to look that way, police don't always make the right descion on first diagnosis same as doctors and other professionals it's not until further evidence is evolved, they couldn't accuse anyone at first till evidence comes to light, absolutely impossible in first looking at a crime scene.

[Adam]

Adam why would EP be looking for residue off Sheila when Taff Jones knew by looking at the scene Sheila had carried out the murders then took her own life obviously it was very evident by what he saw at the scene maybe he saw a suicide note we do not know at this stage.

Forget about Taff. He was wrong and didn't head the investigation correctly. Forget about aleged suicide notes.

There is no evidence Sheila fired a weapon 26 times, fought a man twice as big as her & reloaded twice. There should have been at least 20 pieces of evidence as the COA confirmed.

I know you believe you would not have identified the twins if in Julie's situation. But courts go by forensic evidence.

[guest7363]

Forget about Taff. He was wrong and didn't head the investigation correctly. Forget about aleged suicide notes.

There is no evidence Sheila fired a weapon 26 times, fought a man twice as big as her & reloaded twice. There should have been at least 20 pieces of evidence as the COA confirmed.

I know you believe you would not have identified the twins if in Julie's situation. But courts go by forensic evidence.

Taff must have felt a right idiot when evidence of Sheila's blood was in the silencer, right down through the baffle plates.

[Adam]

Taff must have felt a right idiot when evidence of Sheila's blood was in the silencer, right down through the baffle plates.

Bob Miller says Taff still supported Bamber after the silencer results came back & Julie came forward.

He came on board when Bamber returned from St Tropez & remained on board until his death 7 months later.

[guest7363]

Bob Miller says Taff still supported Bamber after the silencer results came back & Julie came forward.

He came on board when Bamber returned from St Tropez & remained on board until his death 7 months later.

So Bamber coming back from St Tropez changed Taffs mind?  Nothing to do with anything else, just returning from St Tropez, just shows how Taff was easily swayed.  Privately he must have thought himself an idiot when the silencer evidence came back.

[lookout]

 I'm afraid the silencer wasn't the focal point at the beginning of the investigation. It came later when all else failed to find Jeremy guilty.

[susan]

I'm afraid the silencer wasn't the focal point at the beginning of the investigation. It came later when all else failed to find Jeremy guilty.

Hi Lookout

I think Taff saw the evidence that Sheila had committed the murders and shot herself why would he think that without doing further investigation he would not make such a claim he would not be flippant about such a sad scene that faced him on arrival at WHF

[Adam]

So Bamber coming back from St Tropez changed Taffs mind?  Nothing to do with anything else, just returning from St Tropez, just shows how Taff was easily swayed.  Privately he must have thought himself an idiot when the silencer evidence came back.

By the time Bamber was returning from St Tropez, Taff was on board.

He had been taken off heading the case. He could either request to be taken off the case altogether, resign from EP, complain to higher bodies or remain within the team in a big case.

As Taff had nothing to counter the processed evidence, he remained in the team for the next 7 months.

[Adam]

I'm afraid the silencer wasn't the focal point at the beginning of the investigation. It came later when all else failed to find Jeremy guilty.

Hopefully no one will continue saying Sheila committed the massacre.

The silencer & 20 other pieces of forensic evidence from the COA report shows she did not fire a rifle, reload twice or fight a male adult.

[guest7363]

By the time Bamber was returning from St Tropez, Taff was on board.

He had been taken off heading the case. He could either request to be taken off the case altogether, resign from EP, complain to higher bodies or remain within the team in a big case.

As Taff had nothing to counter the processed evidence, he remained in the team for the next 7 months.

So what brought Taff on board then Adam?  He ruled the silencer out and he ruled Julie out? 

[Adam]

So what brought Taff on board then Adam?  He ruled the silencer out and he ruled Julie out?

Only he would know that .

Probably a lot of what's in the library & the other 20 reasons Sheila didn't fire, reload & have a fight in this thread. 

He stuck with Sheila as the killer out of stubbonness.

[mike tesko]

Lookout you can support Bamber on the basis of an unfair trial, or that a third party committed the massacre.

The forensic evidence means no one can say Sheila committed the massacre.

No, it doesn't! At best it proves that she did not kill herself - but she certainly shot and killed the other four victims, just like cops knew it had happened from the off! Four murders, but not a suicide, unfortunately! Cops know exactly how and when she died, and they know with 100% certainty that Sheila was not shot and killed by Jeremy, and that he had not staged her death scene on the main bedroom floor, after they reported her death downstairs in the kitchen (7.30am, 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am) , as a suicide by 7.45am, and DS Jones and DC Clarke saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, before senior officers arranged for her body to be moved to the bedroom floor during 'informatives - Jones and Clark saw Sheila's body on top of the bed, they would have no idea that after both left the scene having both witnessed Sheila's body on the bed, that senior officers performed 'informatives' which included transferring Sheila's body onto the bedroom floor and placing her body in the recovery position, and afterwards, how they placed the rifle which had been at the first floor window at around 7.15am, in Sheila's possession so that by 10 am PC Bird (SOCO) could take pictures showing the said rifle now in Sheila's possession ...