The relatives asking the police for blood, photo's & classified information.

[Adam]

My recent questions have shown it was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without major help from the police.

The relatives needed -

Sheila's blood.

Sheila's blood type.

Kitchen crime scene photo's

Knoweledge of back splatter technique.

Classified information on who had received a contact shot.

Classified information on the rifle lenght.

Classified information on Sheila's arm lenght.

Classified information on back splatter blood already on/off the rifle end.

Classified information on other evidence showing guilt or innocence.

How to get the above classified information & physical items quickly but without alerting suspision.


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Did the relatives ask Stan Jones for the blood, photo's & classified information ? 

Did the relatives have another so far unnamed mole inside the police, as suggested by Susan yesterday ?

Did the relatives randomly ring up the police whenever they needed a piece of classified information, photo's or Sheila's blood ?

Did the police give the relatives all of the above without question ?

Were the police not suspisious when the relatives handed in the silencer,  after they had given them Sheila's blood, photo's and classified information ?

[Adam]

No one has supported the possibility that the relatives asked the police for Sheila's blood, crime scene photos and at least 7 pieces of classified information. Not even Buddy, Nugs & JackieD who have all accused the relatives of fabricating the silencer this month. 

Only Notsure & Sherlock answered all of my 15 questions in another thread. Sherlock on the basis that RB committed the massacre, which has received no support. 

Notsure gave answers of 'I don't know', 'ditto',  'it wasn't Sheila's blood' or 'the silencer wasn't used'. As well as saying the relatives would take a huge risk in scratching the aga without seeing the crime scene photos.

The possibility of the relatives fabricating the silencer has been dismissed.

The final question will be on whether Stan Jones fabricated the silencer,  which Mike & Caroline have posted support for. Thread to be created.

[mike tesko]

My recent questions have shown it was impossible for the relatives to fabricate the silencer without major help from the police.

The relatives needed -

Sheila's blood. relatives had this, Ann Eaton took away from the scene Sheila Caffells heavily bloodstained knickers. Ann Eaton admits that Sheila was having her period!

Sheila's blood type. As above...

Kitchen crime scene photo's No, sorry the relatives had keys to farmhouse from as early as 9 August 1985,and would have seen any mark upon the mantle shelf or the aga surround, so no need for the relatives to see any crime scene photographs of the ktchen aga, and it's surrounding...

Knoweledge of back splatter technique. Peter Eaton was a firearms dealer, Anthony Pargeter as a confirmed marksmen in the shooting industry! All the other relatives owned their own firearms, including David Boutflour, and his sister, Ann Eaton! Why shouldn't the relatives know about the phenomena of drawback or backsplatter? Chances are that they did know about it, and how it might occur!

Classified information on who had received a contact shot. Chances are that most suicide victims who shoot themselves in the neck, or under the chin, bring the muzzle of the weapon into direct contact with the surface of the neck or the throat...

Classified information on the rifle lenght. Easily identifiable to someone interested in firearm sports or the industry! Peter Eaton a firearms dealer, Anthony Pargeter a marksmen at Bisley, information readily available in catelogs or advertising brochures...

Classified information on Sheila's arm lenght. Not necessarily since David Boutflour had taught Sheila how to load and use firearms whilst family enjoyed shooting trip in Scotland! A simple case of establishing length of guns used with dimensions of distance between trigger and muzzle end of guns barrel with or without (x), or/and the Parker hale silencer...

Classified information on back splatter blood already on/off the rifle end. factor 'X' known about because x was given back to relatives after its find on 8 August 1985 (discovered in kitchen by use of a metal detector on that date)...

Classified information on other evidence showing guilt or innocence. PC Robert Carr, (Metropolitan police officer), son of Robert Carr, manager of Ocean Road Camp site owned by Bambers and Boutflour families, released confidential information to relatives! In addition to DS 'Stan' Jones, and DC 'Mick' Clark telling Ann Eaton on the first morning of the police investigation that Sheila's body had at some stage been on the bed (on top of the bed) sporting only one shot, PC Robert Carr confirmed this to the relatives who then realised that police had staged Sheila's death on the bedroom floor with the rifle that cops brought from the first floor box room window! Upon receiving this confidential information from PC Robert Carr, the relatives suspected the police of shooting Sheila and presenting her death as a suicide, when it could not have been. The relatives 'misused this confidential information' to force Essex police to prosecute Jeremy as the killer, a tactic which Robert Boutflour executed to perfection, resulting in the appointment of DCS 'Mick' Ainsley who was responsible for the change in direction of the investigation...

How to get the above classified information & physical items quickly but without alerting suspision. You appear I'll informed, relatives got access to such confidential information via PC Robert Carr (Metropolitan Police officer), close family friend and confident! Essex police found themselves trapped by the approach of the relatives, cops ended up being blackmailed by the relatives into prosecuting Jeremy Bamber as the killer, even though they knew he did not and could not have shot and killed his sister...


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Did the relatives ask Stan Jones for the blood, photo's & classified information ?  That can't be totally discounted, but in any event they got all the confidential information they needed or required via PC Robert Carr...

Did the relatives have another so far unnamed mole inside the police, as suggested by Susan yesterday ? They had PC Robert Carr (Metropolitan police officer)...

Did the relatives randomly ring up the police whenever they needed a piece of classified information, photo's or Sheila's blood ? Stop being silly, PC Robert Carr gave them inside information...

Did the police give the relatives all of the above without question ? Of course not, PC Robert Carr leaked everything the relatives needed to know to the relatives...

Were the police not suspisious when the relatives handed in the silencer,  after they had given them Sheila's blood, photo's and classified information ? Essex police were trapped between a rock and hard ground, they had been found out staging Sheila's death scene by the relatives (via information leaked to them by PC Robert Carr, and others)! Relatives knew that Sheila had originally been found presumed dead downstairs in the kitchen, that her body had mysteriously gone AWOL and ended up on top of the bed in the main bedroom, she having only a single shot to her neck by this stage, and that she ended up on the bedroom floor with an additional second shot under her chin which effectively killed her! Relatives knew cops had faked Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor, it was sufficient enough for the relatives to get the upper hand over the cops who found themselves at the mercy of the relatives who were hellbent on keeping a firm grip on all the inheritances, of the Bamber parents, and of course the Speakmans estate...

[Adam]

Thank you Mike. That is how questions should be answered.

If a poster has made an accusation on here, they should support it or retract. Rather than refusing to discuss evidence & practibilities. The accusations people make on here are very serious.

TomG tried a new technique last week of continually denying saying something & asking me to find proof he did. Which were indirect retractions after I questioned his views.

Anyway I will look at you're points today.

[Adam]

With Sheila's blood, even supporters don't believe the relatives used apparent blood in a bucket of water.

I'm not sure what the relatives being at WHF on the 9th August had to do with needing crime scene photo's. They needed to be sure before scrathing the aga themselves.

I didn't know Robert Carr was so involved in assisting the relatives. Always thought it was SJ's after Taff wouldn't budge.  But it is not surprising other police turned if the relatives had found out the police had staged the crime scene.

[maggie]

Thank you Mike. That is how questions should be answered.

If a poster has made an accusation on here, they should support it or retract. Rather than refusing to discuss evidence & practibilities. The accusations people make on here are very serious.

TomG tried a new technique last week of continually denying saying something & asking me find proof he did. Which is an indirect retraction.

Anyway I will look at you're points today.

Have you not read in recent posts that even on this forum we have democracy.  If a poster doesn't want to write a scenario or whatever else you are demanding/bullying them into they do not have to.

[Adam]

Must admit it's a surprise the relatives handed in the silencer to SJ's, if Robert Carr was their police informant. Stan didn't exactly rush to get it tested.

Hopefully Mike, Nugs, JackieD or Buddy can give me some more information on Robert Carr. As it seems he would be the man who would give the relatives the blood, photo's & information needed for them to fabricate the silencer.

Seems that I have going in the wrong direction with SJ's. Although he has been accused on here before, after giving the relatives the WHF farm keys & then collecting the silencer shortly afterwards.

Always thought the relatives just engaged with Miller, SJ's, Taff, Bews etc.