Kitchen telephone

[Jane]

Yeah, lets bring the stocks back, for these 'LUCIFARIANS', lets give them what they crave for, 'fire and brimstone'..

They want 'fire and brimstone', ok lets burn the lot of 'em alive at the stake, lets terrorise them like they take great enjoyment in terrorising the general public, oh yeah, they are our saviours, they know best, they have everything under control, but do you know what, these 'LUCIFARIANS' create and generate the terror in the public, they are the true, real monsters, always aiming and seeking to make 'themselves' look 'oh so good'...

Liars, Criminals in suits and ties, skirts and blouses, wigs and gowns - the real people in society have to now stand against these monsters, politicians, and basically dishonest greedy selfish bastards...

Well lets just hope that some of these "'Lucifarians'" are around when some fanatic tries to burn you, run you over, stab you, or remove your head from your body. Despite your disdain for them, they's still put their own lives on the line to save yours.

[Caroline]

Exactly David, it's just people who have nothing better to do

Err, you're agreeing with those that DON'T believe Neville called the police! 

[susan]

Exactly Susan, Ewen Smith, Simon McKay and a long line of legal experts would not have taken an interest if the phone calls were an issue

Hi Jackie just to clarify IMO Jeremy did receive a phone call from his Father I have no evidence to back this up but nether have I any to say it did not happen the forum has been discussing and disagreeing on this issue since I joined.

[JackieD]

Err, you're agreeing with those that DON'T believe Neville called the police! 

You know full well this is an issue that can never be proved either way

[notsure]

I guess you're talking about the doc below? Jeremy has written on the document that the entry refers to his call to police at 03:36. It doesn't refer to Nevill at all nor does it show that Jeremy called the police at 03:36. However, it does prove that after arguing he called the police around 03:26 - he has changed his story! So what was he doing for 26 mins between Nevill's call and his 'eventual' call to the police? AND Why did he accuse West of altering the logs from 03:26 to 03:36?

Well it does mention Neville and also the tapes of UBS call so where r they Caroline. Why were they never played in court. They were there and would have firmed up exactly how the call went.

[Jane]

Well it does mention Neville and also the tapes of UBS call so where r they Caroline. Why were they never played in court. They were there and would have firmed up exactly how the call went.

You could find that "Neville" is this case is a surname. All other males seem to be referred to by initials. It isn't customary to refer to witnesses/victims by their fore names.

[Caroline]

Well it does mention Neville and also the tapes of UBS call so where r they Caroline. Why were they never played in court. They were there and would have firmed up exactly how the call went.

Jeremy has never disputed what he said to West, he has changed his mind over the timings though just to fit in a call from Nevill.

Yes it does mention Nevill but not any call.

[Caroline]

You could find that "Neville" is this case is a surname. All other males seem to be referred to by initials. It isn't customary to refer to witnesses/victims by their fore names.

Yes, it could - we don't know what it means or even where it came from. There are no official stamps or anything to authenticate it.

[Jane]

Yes, it could - we don't know what it means or even where it came from. There are no official stamps or anything to authenticate it.

Hardly authentic, surely, if Jeremy was free to add his own information?

[Reader]

JB's written note is unclear and possibly based on a misunderstanding. We don't yet know when JB wrote it.

The action contains "JB calls", apparently a reference to all recent known calls by JB, not his one call to the police (Pc West). We don't know what "Neville?" refers to. JB's dad was Nevill, not Neville, and is unlikely to have been referred to by just a forename, given that JB wasn't. No HQ recordings (in the sense of tape recordings) were ever disclosed, but JB hadn't called the police HQ, so his call (which was to Pc West) wasn't necessarily taped anyway. However, the HQ tapes would have been around for the police to use to check call times, and mike tesko maintains that the police did make copies of some of these, and never disclosed those copies to the defence.

[Adam]

Hi Jackie just to clarify IMO Jeremy did receive a phone call from his Father I have no evidence to back this up but nether have I any to say it did not happen the forum has been discussing and disagreeing on this issue since I joined.

Susan there are 40 reasons why Nevill would not phone Bamber. And over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila did not commit the massacre. Both have been posted on the forum. One of them yesterday.

Not sure what more you need.

[Caroline]

You know full well this is an issue that can never be proved either way

No, you just need common sense.

[susan]

Susan there are 40 reasons why Nevill would not phone Bamber. And over 50 pieces of forensic evidence showing Sheila did not commit the massacre. Both have been posted on the forum. One of them yesterday.

Not sure what more you need.

Hello Adam what I need to do is read the 40 reasons  I know Sheila committed the murders so you will never change my mind on that one

[mike tesko]

Well lets just hope that some of these "'Lucifarians'" are around when some fanatic tries to burn you, run you over, stab you, or remove your head from your body. Despite your disdain for them, they's still put their own lives on the line to save yours.

God has looked after me, I survived - are you a potential Lucifarian?

[mike tesko]

Marters, and Saints, have all suffered untold tragedy, and injustices, it's what sets them a part from ordinary folk!