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Offline Caroline

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #465 on: June 11, 2017, 11:49:AM »
From actual police log-----Neville's call @ 03.36 ( never disclosed ) Call had been recorded. P.C.Hall.

Oh really? Where is it?
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #466 on: June 11, 2017, 12:07:PM »
I guess you're talking about the doc below? Jeremy has written on the document that the entry refers to his call to police at 03:36. It doesn't refer to Nevill at all nor does it show that Jeremy called the police at 03:36. However, it does prove that after arguing he called the police around 03:26 - he has changed his story! So what was he doing for 26 mins between Nevill's call and his 'eventual' call to the police? AND Why did he accuse West of altering the logs from 03:26 to 03:36?
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #467 on: June 11, 2017, 12:21:PM »
Oh really? Where is it?





CT put it out this morning---Bambertweets.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #468 on: June 11, 2017, 12:23:PM »
I guess you're talking about the doc below? Jeremy has written on the document that the entry refers to his call to police at 03:36. It doesn't refer to Nevill at all nor does it show that Jeremy called the police at 03:36. However, it does prove that after arguing he called the police around 03:26 - he has changed his story! So what was he doing for 26 mins between Nevill's call and his 'eventual' call to the police? AND Why did he accuse West of altering the logs from 03:26 to 03:36?






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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #469 on: June 11, 2017, 01:21:PM »





JB's mistakes pale into insignificance when you read others.

Mistakes?  ;D
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #470 on: June 11, 2017, 01:46:PM »
How many times has Neville's alleged call been brought up? - Thousands!

How many of those times produced a convincing argument? - None!

The arguments always go - If we assume A,B and C then speculate X,Y and Z then Nevil rang the police.
In the end it proves nothing.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 01:47:PM by David1819 »

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #471 on: June 11, 2017, 02:41:PM »
I guess you're talking about the doc below? Jeremy has written on the document that the entry refers to his call to police at 03:36. Because that is the only time (3.36am) that he could have called PC West! Everything PC West said he did, and did, and the involvement of the operator at 3.42am, fits perfectly into the time scale! There is no way Jeremys call to police could have ended by 3.26am, then PC West do what he said he did, and did, and then after talking again to Jeremy for a very brief period, how he immediately requested the operator to check the line by 3.42am. There's no doubt whatsoever that Neville himself called the police by 3.26am... It doesn't refer to Nevill at all But the contents of the 3.26am C6 Bonnet log make it clear that the content of the message passed and recorded at that time (3.26am) came from Nevillenor does it show that Jeremy called the police at 03:36 But the contents of PC Wests C1 message log clearly does refer to that message being passed by the son (Jeremy) and more importantly, it is timed at commencing from 3.36am!. However, it does prove that after arguing he called the police around 03:26 No, it doesn't show that at all, since the contents of Bonnetts C6 3.26am message log, refers to Sheila as 'MY DAUGHTER', and Sheila was not Jeremys daughter! - he has changed his story! Jeremy has not changed his story, he has always maintained that when he spoke to police he spoke about a call he received from Neville who told him that 'Sheila has the gun, she has gone crazy', and this is what is recorded in PC Wests C1 3.36am (start) message log! He never said to PC West, 'My daughter has gone berserk', or that 'My daughter has got hold of one of my guns'... So what was he doing for 26 mins between Nevill's call and his 'eventual' call to the police? That amount of delay was never even part of the prosecutions case! He didn't dally for for 26 minutes, as you put it! What, and then on top of this astonishing period you have plucked out of the air, his alleged 3.26am call, lasted almost to or just before 3.42am, when the operator checked the phone at the farmhouse and reported that the phone there was 'off the hook' which potentially meant that Jeremys call to police on that mistaken footing lasted around 15 minutes! Pc West does not say that, so you must be wrong in your interpretationAND Why did he accuse West of altering the logs from 03:26 to 03:36? It depends what you mean by suggesting that Jeremy accused PC West of altering the logs from 3.26am, to 3.36am? It doesn't make sense, why would Jeremy accuse PC West of doing that? Are you reffering to altering the time of the call? The duration of the call? or the contents of the call?

The Licufarians in this matter (cops, CPS, Magistrates, judicial system)don't give a damn about the suffering of innocent victims, all these monsters are bothered about is trying to make themselves look good, and hoodwinking the public into mistakenly believing that these morons have got everything and it under control...
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #472 on: June 11, 2017, 02:43:PM »
How many times has Neville's alleged call been brought up? - Thousands!

How many of those times produced a convincing argument? - None!

The arguments always go - If we assume A,B and C then speculate X,Y and Z then Nevil rang the police.
In the end it proves nothing.

Exactly David, it's just people who have nothing better to do
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #473 on: June 11, 2017, 03:15:PM »
Exactly David, it's just people who have nothing better to do

Jackie I agree with you and David re: the phone call the discussion is going nowhere as the two sides will never agree and neither side has any proof.

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #474 on: June 11, 2017, 03:30:PM »
At the end of the day, the phone call issue that is being mentioned in this thread, was never part of the prosecutions case during the 1986 trial, or the 2002 appeal, the timings and the contents of both logs have never been argued or considered in court! For Example, the entire contents of Bonnetts 3.26am log, and the entire contents of PC Wests 3.36am log, have never been argued or explained by anybody in a court setting! What this suggests to me, is that here in this particular case, we have the potential for another 'DEREK Bentley' case, where one side is now (over three decades later) claiming both log contents bearing different times, relate to a solitary phone call that was made by Jeremy, and the other side saying, 'no this is fresh evidence which was not made available by police and its CPS counterpart during Bambers trial, otherwise the defence would have sought to rely upon this as the foundation for the jury to believe that Neville Bamber had indeed called the police (3.26am) before Jeremy himself had done, and did do (3.36am), this was not done because the police and its CPS counterpart dishonestly sought to keep the the truth from the court, from the defendants legal team, from the jury, and from the public at large!  Derek Bentley paid with his life at the expense of the hangmans noose for a misinterpretation of words spoken! Jeremy has so far paid with a loss of his liberty for over 31 years, because police and its counterpart the CPS did not want a jury having to decide Bambers innocence or guilt on two sets of words, recorded in Bonnetts C6  (3,26am)log, as opposed to PC Wests C1 (3.36am) log!

A jury should have decided the contents of Bonnetts C6 (3.26am) log contents 'daughter has gone berserk, my daughter has got hold of one of my guns', versus PC Wests C1 (3.36am) log contents, 'Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy'! The arguments would have been never ending on both sides, reference to the duration of each call, linked to duties performed by PC West, involving the operator, and so on and so forth! Cops and CPS secreted the 'devil in the detail' (dishonestly, because they are Lucifarians)  because they realised that it had the potential to cause reasonable doubt!

It would have almost certainly have resulted in Jeremy Bambers acquittal, on the back of the 'Derek Bentley' case, which was settled at the time of his trial on the basis of the mortal words, 'LET HIM HAVE IT', and later in a pardon, too late to save the life of that victim! Bambers case, could have been settled on the contents of both phone record logs, Bonnets 3.26am C6 log, versus PC Wests 3.36am, C1 log!

Reasonable doubt favours Bamber in that comparison, by a reliance on the duration of the initial call made by Jeremy to PC West, the delay in West contacting Bonnett, the continued call to Jeremy, and the involvement of the operator by 3.42am!

'Daughter gone berserk, daughter has got hold of one of my guns' versus, 'Sheila has got the gun, she has gone crazy'..

But cops an its corrupted counterpart deceived the court, they deceived Bambers defence, they deceived the Jury, and they continue to deceive the public! Lucifarians the lot of them, Criminals in uniform Criminals in suits, ties, skirts, blouses, wigs and gowns...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 03:46:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #475 on: June 11, 2017, 03:48:PM »
The system is corrupt, run by corrupted officials whose duty it is , 'to fool the public into believing and accepting that these 'LUCIFARIANS' have everything under control' - the vast majority of the public are brainwashed by those in power, uniforms, suits and ties, skirts and blouses, gowns and wigs, when they are no better that the vast majority of us, the public has to get wise, everybody is being conned...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 03:50:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #476 on: June 11, 2017, 03:56:PM »
The system is corrupt, run by corrupted officials whose duty it is , 'to fool the public into believing and accepting that these 'LUCIFARIANS' have everything under control' - the vast majority of the public are brainwashed by those in power, uniforms, suits and ties, skirts and blouses, gowns and wigs, when they are no better that the vast majority of us, the public has to get wise, everybody is being conned...

And, as if this was not bad enough, these monsters command vast salaries from public funding, to support their opulent and vigorous superior life styles!!

I'd rather be poor, with a pure heart, but the situation is so bad, these Lucifarians are the lowest of the low, that I often refer to using abusive language in absolute abhorrent disgust in the various systems, these 'LUCIFARIANS' operate, and con the general public at large! Burn the lot of them at the stake, bring back the stocks, put these mother fukkers in the stocks and lets throw cow dung and puke at the lot of them!
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #477 on: June 11, 2017, 03:58:PM »
And, as if this was not bad enough, these monsters command vast salaries from public funding, to support their opulent and vigorous superior life styles!!

I'd rather be poor, with a pure heart, but the situation is so bad, these Lucifarians are the lowest of the low, that I often refer to using abusive language in absolute abhorrent disgust in the various systems, these 'LUCIFARIANS' operate, and con the general public at large! Burn the lot of them at the stake, bring back the stocks, put these mother fukkers in the stocks and lets throw cow dung and puke at the lot of them!

For the rest of their lives (if the public take pity on them, and spare them from being burnt alive at the stake)!
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #478 on: June 11, 2017, 04:01:PM »
Jackie I agree with you and David re: the phone call the discussion is going nowhere as the two sides will never agree and neither side has any proof.

Exactly Susan, Ewen Smith, Simon McKay and a long line of legal experts would not have taken an interest if the phone calls were an issue
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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Re: Kitchen telephone
« Reply #479 on: June 11, 2017, 04:05:PM »
Yeah, lets bring the stocks back, for these 'LUCIFARIANS', lets give them what they crave for, 'fire and brimstone'..

They want 'fire and brimstone', ok lets burn the lot of 'em alive at the stake, lets terrorise them like they take great enjoyment in terrorising the general public, oh yeah, they are our saviours, they know best, they have everything under control, but do you know what, these 'LUCIFARIANS' create and generate the terror in the public, they are the true, real monsters, always aiming and seeking to make 'themselves' look 'oh so good'...

Liars, Criminals in suits and ties, skirts and blouses, wigs and gowns - the real people in society have to now stand against these monsters, politicians, and basically dishonest greedy selfish bastards...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2017, 04:07:PM by mike tesko »
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