Kitchen telephone

[mike tesko]

I would say that the vast majority of you have no idea whatsoever of the lengths police are prepared to go to in some instances to to cover things up, lie, and to secure convictions against innocent people, or to protect themselves...

[mike tesko]

I would say that the vast majority of you have no idea whatsoever of the lengths police are prepared to go to in some instances to to cover things up, lie, and to secure convictions against innocent people, or to protect themselves...

In the vast majority of cases, unless you are a victim of police corruption yourself, most people think police officers would not lie, that they would tell you the correct time of day if you asked them it, and that their sole purpose is to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - well, sadly the vast majority of you are all mistaken. It doesn't work out quite like that, and this is why miscarriages of justice occur...

[maggie]

OK I've locked this thread. 

This argument is going to run and run so I feel I have no option.

Please don't just move this argument to anther thread as I am on the verge of warning some posters and will do so if it continues.

[mike tesko]

In the vast majority of cases, unless you are a victim of police corruption yourself, most people think police officers would not lie, that they would tell you the correct time of day if you asked them it, and that their sole purpose is to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - well, sadly the vast majority of you are all mistaken. It doesn't work out quite like that, and this is why miscarriages of justice occur...

The evidence for DCI Harris using the land line telephone in the kitchen is emphatic!

Its well documented, examine to oh so true police radio message logs, all of you 'holier than thou, people' who think they know everything despite the fact they have never been on the receiving end of police brutality, police dishonesty, police fabrication, police perjury, etc, etc, etc...

Just read your heroes message log contents, to find the truth, and to know the truth...

DCI Harris used the round finger dial phone in the kitchen to call ACC Peter Simpson to update him about how the firearm operations had just gone dramatically wrong! What 'I' Mean by the firearm operations going wrong by that stage, is that from that point onward there was only one body downstairs, and only three bodies upstairs - Sheila's body was missing from the kitchen by the time Gibbons, Harris and Montgomery arrived there! As far as I am concerned, Harris, Gibbons, Montgomery, and Simpson were Criminals in uniform who let an innocent man stand trial for murdering his sister and staging her death scene on the floor of the upstairs main bedroom, when all along these criminals in uniform knew that her body had been reported discovered downstairs in the kitchen! Too much evidence has been uncovered supporting the case for Sheila's body being in the kitchen (7.35am to 8.10am) prior to it ending up in the main bedroom on the floor! Cops wouldn't pass live radio messages about there being two bodies found in the kitchen upon entry if it was not true! Come on, stop acting like you ain't got a brain...

There is far too much detail contained in these versions of the police logs for it not to be true!

Not just two bodies (7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.42am), but the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female (7.35am, 7.37am, and 7.38am), not just the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, but 'a suicide' and 'a murder' (7.45am) - this was all documented, it can't simply be put down to an error as described by the Criminal in uniform, PC Collins! These facts are further corroborated by the message passed at 8.10am, am, 'a further three bodies found upstairs, five dead in total'...

Cops don't pass false  live radio messages, they only manipulate the contents of witness statements, and other statements they take from independent witnesses which the cop in question paraphrases to support the mindset of the police case in general. They don't like witnesses making their own witness statements, because they might write down something which challenges the mindset of the police and the case they are trying to prove!

[mike tesko]

The fact that the 'kitchen phone' was found under some magazines on a rack in the kitchen, suggests to me, that police brought the round finger dial phone downstairs from the main bedroom and disconnected the digital kitchen phone (hiding it amongst magazine on the magazine rack in the kitchen) and that they plugged in the round finger dial phone which DCI Harris used to contact ACC Peter Simpson after 8.20am, that morning...

[mike tesko]

The fact that the 'kitchen phone' was found under some magazines on a rack in the kitchen, suggests to me, that police brought the round finger dial phone downstairs from the main bedroom and disconnected the digital kitchen phone (hiding it amongst magazine on the magazine rack in the kitchen) and that they plugged in the round finger dial phone which DCI Harris used to contact ACC Peter Simpson after 8.20am, that morning...

I don't believe that in an enquiry of this nature, that somebody like DCI Harris would have used the actual phone which had been discovered with its handset off the cradle, to make the aforementioned call! I think that because the 999 eavesdrop had been stopped at 7.47am, Harris waited until Sheila had been relocated on top of the bed, and then had the round finger dial phone brought downstairs and it was plugged in the socket where the digital phone had originally been plugged in...

Notice how Cops and CPS don't disclose the timing and the duration of the Harris, Simpson call, and or its nature!!

[mike tesko]

I don't believe that Sheila Caffell at the height of her insanity, or Jeremy Bamber for that matter, brought the ivory coloured round finger dial phone down from the bedroom to plug it into a socket in the kitchen where a digital phone was already plugged in...

Two phones ended up in the kitchen (digital one, and round finger dialled one)!

It would have been to Jeremy Bambers advantage, had he been the killer to set the digital phone with its handset off the cradle, he having dialled his home address for a few seconds then terminating the call, because the digital phone had a last 10 numbers dialled facility. There was no advantage for Sheila having done this, other than she knew she would have to attack and kill her father downstairs in the kitchen! But, when you look at DCI Harris's predicament, he would not want to use the digital phone in the kitchen with its handset off its cradle because he would have known its evidential value, and it would make sense that he might bring the round finger dial phone downstairs to the kitchen from the main bedroom to enable him to make his requested call to ACC Peter Simpson! Then again, Harris may well have made his call to Peter Simpson from the main bedroom after Sheila's body had been relocated there in a collapsed state (bearing only a solitary wound to the neck)! This suggestion is possible, because what we now know is that one of the relatives phoned whf using the landline number, and they were told by a police officer who answered the call to go to Bourtree cottage, where Jeremy lived!

Bedroom phone could have been moved downstairs to the kitchen either by the time of this relatives call, or sometime afterwards, but certainly prior to 10 am, when PC Bird (SOCO) started taking his crime scene photographs...

[mike tesko]

I wonder if this was why 358 of the 581 photographs which were taken in this investigation never got to see the light of day?

[mike tesko]

I wonder if this was why 358 of the 581 photographs which were taken in this investigation never got to see the light of day?

Do photographs exist which either show the digital phone plugged in at the kitchen socket, and the round finger dial phone plugged in at the main bedroom socket?

Somebody must make a note of steadfastly checking out this possibility!

[mike tesko]

At the end of the day, with the benefit of my vast experience of being a victim of police dishonesty and brutality, I am 100% certain that Neville Bamber, and not Jeremy Bamber, made the 3.26am telephone call to the police! The call which was made by Neville Bamber (if he made it) would almost certainly have commenced at least 4/5 minutes prior to 3.26am, and the recipient who dealt with Nevilles call must have been and was PC West - I agree with Bill's scenario that the 3.26am call must have been made around 3.20am, and that it continued and remained open until beyond 3.30am...

As if to confirm what Bill has said (independently of me) as being true, I took the opportunity some years previously to speak with a BT engineer, who knew other older engineers who worked during the mid 80's on the old exchange type systems applicable in Glodhanger and Maldon at the time of the tragedy, and I gleaned some really useful information at the time which now seems to be pertinent in the present matter...

[mike tesko]

At the end of the day, with the benefit of my vast experience of being a victim of police dishonesty and brutality, I am 100% certain that Neville Bamber, and not Jeremy Bamber, made the 3.26am telephone call to the police! The call which was made by Neville Bamber (if he made it) would almost certainly have commenced at least 4/5 minutes prior to 3.26am, and the recipient who dealt with Nevilles call must have been and was PC West - I agree with Bill's scenario that the 3.26am call must have been made around 3.20am, and that it continued and remained open until beyond 3.30am...

As if to confirm what Bill has said (independently of me) as being true, I took the opportunity some years previously to speak with a BT engineer, who knew other older engineers who worked during the mid 80's on the old exchange type systems applicable in Glodhanger and Maldon at the time of the tragedy, and I gleaned some really useful information at the time which now seems to be pertinent in the present matter...

Without going into all the technical jargon which can prove to be something of a minefield to ordinary folk not in the trade, I learned two important features which to this day have remained at the forefront of my mind, one which I later accepted could not have applied in this instance, but the other which is capable of throwing the whole case wide open...

[mike tesko]

One of the technical matters I was advised about involved the plunger of the phone 'sticking' in the downward position, particularly involving round finger type phones, of the type shown in the crime scene photographs! This could occur and did occur, apparently if the unit was dropped or it received a hard knock! According to the expert opinion that I was given, once the 'plunger set' in this way, it could not be released until an engineer resolved the problem! With the 'plunger' stuck in the down position, there was no dialling tone, and the phone could not be used to make calls out, or to receive calls! More significantly, the operator could not eavesdrop a handset which was connected to a plunger stuck in the down ward position...

I can now discount this possibility, because we know that the operator checked the telephone line at whf after Jeremys call to PC West (commencing at 3.36am) at 3.42am, and 3.56am...

What this alerts us to is the fact that the telephone call from Neville Bamber to Jeremy was not terminated because the plunger had got stuck in the downward position, but rather that Neville had tapped the plunger on the cradle so that he could make another telephone call! And, he did! At probably 3.20am, or thereabouts, Neville Bamber called the police, and by 3.26am, PC West was relaying to Malcom Bonnet what Neville Bamber was telling him!

[mike tesko]

One of the technical matters I was advised about involved the plunger of the phone 'sticking' in the downward position, particularly involving round finger type phones, of the type shown in the crime scene photographs! This could occur and did occur, apparently if the unit was dropped or it received a hard knock! According to the expert opinion that I was given, once the 'plunger set' in this way, it could not be released until an engineer resolved the problem! With the 'plunger' stuck in the down position, there was no dialling tone, and the phone could not be used to make calls out, or to receive calls! More significantly, the operator could not eavesdrop a handset which was connected to a plunger stuck in the down ward position...

I can now discount this possibility, because we know that the operator checked the telephone line at whf after Jeremys call to PC West (commencing at 3.36am) at 3.42am, and 3.56am...

What this alerts us to is the fact that the telephone call from Neville Bamber to Jeremy was not terminated because the plunger had got stuck in the downward position, but rather that Neville had tapped the plunger on the cradle so that he could make another telephone call! And, he did! At probably 3.20am, or thereabouts, Neville Bamber called the police, and by 3.26am, PC West was relaying to Malcom Bonnet what Neville Bamber was telling him!

How do I know this to be true?

[mike tesko]

Well, I know this to be true, not because PC West received news from the operator at 3.42am that the phone at whf was off the hook, or that by 3.56am that Malcom Bonnet was notified by the operator that a dog could be heard barking in the background, but because of one highly significant piece of information that almost everyone interested in this case has either ignored or lacked intelligence to enable them to grasp the nettle, as it were...

What is it that I am talking about?

[mike tesko]

It was something I was told by a BT engineer several years ago, something so basic in its execution, that it beggars belief that no-one (until now) has realised the significance of it...