How Many People Knew The Twins

[Jane]

A whole hour discrediting Julie.

You're 6 part documentary is not going to be impartial then.

And for what valid reason? Just a chance that if they put out a warrant for arrest they MAY have found someone other than Julie.

[David1819]

It's all in the library.

In other words. There is no evidence.

[Steve_uk]

She could have made the point that if Julie was able to tell them apart it suggested a degree of intimacy with them that makes her disinclination to act on Jeremy's murder talk all the more inexcusable, but then she didn't make the point, did she..

[Jane]

She could have made the point that if Julie was able to tell them apart it suggested a degree of intimacy with them that makes her disinclination to act on Jeremy's murder talk all the more inexcusable, but then she didn't make the point, did she..

I really don't know where they're trying to take this Julie bashing Steve. It doesn't make a ha'peth of difference to the case, but the crazy and untrue reasons for why it was unnecessary for her to do it, come thick and fast.

[Caroline]

Just to make it absolutely crystal clear Jane because there would numerous people who could identify the twins rather than the supposedly murderers partner

Pre school teachers - weren't there - and wouldn't know the difference
School teachers - weren't there - and wouldn't know the difference
Foster parents weren't there - and wouldn't know the difference
Social workers - weren't there - and wouldn't know the difference
Neighbours - weren't there - and wouldn't know the difference
Doctors - weren't there - and wouldn't know the differencee
The list could go on and on but it's stupid so why bother?

The list goes on and on but the question is why was Julie so keen to see the devastation Jeremy had 'spoken' about for so long - She wasn't keen, that's YOUR slant

[lookout]

All of the above named,would have told them apart had they been there.

Wasn't the whole point of the argument whether they could be identified as being " different " to each other,rather than who was going to see them and who wasn't ? Why has it snow-balled ??

[Jane]

All of the above named,would have told them apart had they been there.

Wasn't the whole point of the argument whether they could be identified as being " different " to each other,rather than who was going to see them and who wasn't ? Why has it snow-balled ??

The whole point of the argument was that there appeared to be no one available, at the time, OTHER THAN JULIE, who was able.

[lookout]

I now won't tolerate shouting,thankyou. There's no need.

[guest2181]

All of the above named,would have told them apart had they been there.

Wasn't the whole point of the argument whether they could be identified as being " different " to each other,rather than who was going to see them and who wasn't ? Why has it snow-balled ??

The argument has a few different threads to it. Basically it is an attack on Julie, but only under certain conditions.

To sum it up, it is being said that if Jeremy is guilty and Julie knew this to be the case, then Julie being the one to identify the victims is a bit 'sick' or 'twisted'.

However, if Jeremy is not guilty, or Julie didn't know at the time that Jeremy was responsible, then the opinion of her identifying the victims as being 'sick', doesn't work.

Nobody (to my knowledge) has voiced an opinion that Julie identified the victims with the knowledge that they had been murdered by Jeremy. The two schools of thought are that either Jeremy is innocent, or Julie didn't believe at that stage that Jeremy had murdered them.

[lookout]

Given that Julie had been told umpteen times by Jeremy,of his " threat " it's rather surprising that when the tragedy had occurred,that she hadn't thought back on his words and put two and two together.I'm sure lots of women would have ? Plus the same/similar conversation to his uncle too ?

[Adam]

The argument has a few different threads to it. Basically it is an attack on Julie, but only under certain conditions.

To sum it up, it is being said that if Jeremy is guilty and Julie knew this to be the case, then Julie being the one to identify the victims is a bit 'sick' or 'twisted'.

However, if Jeremy is not guilty, or Julie didn't know at the time that Jeremy was responsible, then the opinion of her identifying the victims as being 'sick', doesn't work.

Nobody (to my knowledge) has voiced an opinion that Julie identified the victims with the knowledge that they had been murdered by Jeremy. The two schools of thought are that either Jeremy is innocent, or Julie didn't believe at that stage that Jeremy had murdered them.

The argument put forward by supporters is Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the twins.

Supporters believing they would have acted in a different way in Julie's situation & at her age. Although no one has ever been in her situation.

Because Julie didn't react in the same way they believe they would have done, Bamber must be innocent.

The forensic evidence is not important.

[guest2181]

Given that Julie had been told umpteen times by Jeremy,of his " threat " it's rather surprising that when the tragedy had occurred,that she hadn't thought back on his words and put two and two together.I'm sure lots of women would have ? Plus the same/similar conversation to his uncle too ?

Absolutely. However, it is possible that she simply didn't believe it possible that Jeremy had carried out what she had put down to immature fantasy.

Her own version of events is that the reality set in over the next few weeks and then went to the police.

Of course, she might just be a bit 'sick'. 

[lookout]

Absolutely. However, it is possible that she simply didn't believe it possible that Jeremy had carried out what she had put down to immature fantasy.

Her own version of events is that the reality set in of the next few weeks and then went to the police.

Of course, she might just be a bit 'sick'. 

Hartley,he must have spoken about his " plans " over the period of time they were together ? What woman wouldn't have felt uncomfortable or suspicious when it finally did happen ?
Reality would have been an immediate effect for most and no matter how much she'd professed her love for him,she'd have run for her life if she'd have thought for one minute he'd been responsible,if only to escape from the knowledge that she'd pre-known what was to happen. Nobody with any sense wants any involvement with murder.

[Adam]

Supporters accept Julie could identify the twins apart. And that the police rejected Robert Howie's identifcation offer.

However it is now being said that the police should have srarted searching for social workers & doctors who probably lived in London. Although the police would not have known if these people could identify the twins apart.

[Adam]

Already posted today:

She wanted to be helpful.

She was not as upset as everyone else. As was not related to any of the deceased.

She still didn't believe or was not sure Bamber was guilty.

She was asked to.

She was not doing anything useful or constructive,  as had been whisked over by Bamber. So offered, or was asked.

Bamber seemed to be coping well, and could cope for a short period while Julie went to identify the bodies.

She went with another relative to give moral support.

If she didn't go with another relative, then she would have originally assumed she would be accompanied.

She believed Bamber was guilty, identifying the twins is no worse than being by his side as he acted.

She knew the twins and could identify them.

Bamber didn't offer to do this. 

No one else offerred.

Her WS was true and she felt she could communicate with them.

She offered in error. But couldn't withdraw once the offer had been made.

She wanted a break from the crime scene and police. Which was a situation she had not asked to be a part of.

She believed seeing the twins would help her come to terms with what had happened.

She was in the room when discussions about who would do this started. So not surprising she ended up doing this.

If not in the room, Bamber or someone else recommended to the police Julie could do this.

The police felt Julie was the best person. She could identify the twins but had least emotional attachment.

She had little attachment to the twins. They were her boyfriends sisters, sons.

Bamber had brought her over in a police car. She assumed this was so she could be helpful. Identifying the bodies is being helpful.

No one tried to stop her identifying the twins.

A combination of several of the above.

I will add to my list that Bamber was not a suspect at this time. And the police did not suspect Julie knew anything. Therefore she was the logical choice to accompany AE & assist the police.