How Many People Knew The Twins

[Adam]

Nope. Gish Gallops are made of bullshit. For example It's applies to Adam but not Scipio.

PS this is a very strange way of ignoring me.

Yes Scipios posts were so good he can't post on here.

Unfortunately you're the one who posts bullshit. Such as you're 'forensic evidence breakthrough', which has made no difference a year on. And where is you're 5th Sheila scenario you've been working on here for 5 months. Complete with naff diagrams ?

I don't know why you keep posting you're gish gash bullshit. If you disagreed yesterday with my list of 24 reasons why Julie would not try to frame an innocent Bamber, say why.

[guest7363]

Unfortunately you're the one who posts bullshit. Such as you're 'forensic evidence breakthrough', which has made no difference a year on.

I don't know why you keep posting you're gish gash bullshit. If you disagree with my list, debate.

Ha Ha, looks like you've just Gish Gashed the Gish Galloper Adam.

[Adam]

I've amended my list on why Julie identified the bodies. After reading AE's WS. As Hartley said yesterday 'it doesn't really matter' that Julie identified the bodies. Which I've ways agreed with . 

Supporters always try to make a big thing of it. Jackie claiming  'Julie wouldn't have identified the bodies if Bamber was guilty'. I'm not sure how Jackie knows what Julie would do.

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AE asked her to.

The police asked her to.

Robert Howie volunteered but the police rejected his offer.

Saying 'no' would have been rude and unhelpful.

No one else volunteered.

Julie could identify the bodies apart.

She wanted to be helpful.

She was not as upset as everyone else. As was not related to any of the deceased.

She still didn't believe or was not sure Bamber was guilty.

She was not doing anything useful or constructive,  as had been whisked over by Bamber. So offered, or was asked.

Bamber seemed to be coping well, and could cope for a short period while Julie went to identify the bodies.

She went with another relative to give moral support.

If she didn't go with another relative, then she would have originally assumed she would be accompanied.

She believed Bamber could be guilty, identifying the twins is no worse than being by his side as he acted.

Bamber didn't offer to do this. 

Her WS was true and she felt she could communicate with them.

She offered in error. But couldn't withdraw once the offer had been made.

She wanted a break from the crime scene and police. Which was a situation she had not asked to be a part of.

She believed seeing the twins would help her come to terms with what had happened.

She was in the room when discussions about who would do this started. So not surprising she ended up doing this.

If not in the room, Bamber or someone else recommended to the police Julie could do this.

She had little attachment to the twins. They were her boyfriends sisters, sons.

Bamber had brought her over in a police car. She assumed this was so she could be helpful. Identifying the bodies is being helpful.

No one tried to stop her identifying the twins.

A combination of all or several of the above 24 reasons.

[maggie]

I've amended my list on why Julie identified the bodies. After reading AE's WS. As Hartley said yesterday 'it doesn't really matter' that Julie identified the bodies. Which I 've ways agreed with . 

Supporters always try to make a big thing of it. Jackie claiming  'Julie wouldn't have identified the bodies if Bamber was guilty'. I'm not sure how she knows this.

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AE asked her to.

The police asked her to.

Robert Howie volunteered but the police rejected his offer.

No one else volunteered.

Julie could identify the bodies apart.

She wanted to be helpful.

She was not as upset as everyone else. As was not related to any of the deceased.

She still didn't believe or was not sure Bamber was guilty.

She was not doing anything useful or constructive,  as had been whisked over by Bamber. So offered, or was asked.

Bamber seemed to be coping well, and could cope for a short period while Julie went to identify the bodies.

She went with another relative to give moral support.

If she didn't go with another relative, then she would have originally assumed she would be accompanied.

She believed Bamber could be guilty, identifying the twins is no worse than being by his side as he acted.

Bamber didn't offer to do this. 

Her WS was true and she felt she could communicate with them.

She offered in error. But couldn't withdraw once the offer had been made.

She wanted a break from the crime scene and police. Which was a situation she had not asked to be a part of.

She believed seeing the twins would help her come to terms with what had happened.

She was in the room when discussions about who would do this started. So not surprising she ended up doing this.

If not in the room, Bamber or someone else recommended to the police Julie could do this.

She had little attachment to the twins. They were her boyfriends sisters, sons.

Bamber had brought her over in a police car. She assumed this was so she could be helpful. Identifying the bodies is being helpful.

No one tried to stop her identifying the twins.

A combination of several of the above.

Very interesting Adam. 
Unfortunately for you I'm sure just as may reasons can be dredged up showing why Julie should not have done it.
Sadly I don't have time to list them today as am searching for a needle in a haystack. 

[Adam]

Very interesting Adam. 
Unfortunately for you I'm sure just as may reasons can be dredged up showing why Julie should not have done it.
Sadly I don't have time to list them today as am searching for a needle in a haystack. 

I look forward to seeing a list. Rather than supporters just saying Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the bodies.

At the end of the day, it was Julie's decision. In her situation, some people would have done the same, some wouldn't. 

She's given her reasons in her WS & in court.

[maggie]

I look forward to seeing a list. Rather than supporters just saying Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the bodies.

At the end of the day, it was Julie's decision. In her situation, some people would have done the same, some wouldn't. 

She's given her reasons in her WS & in court.

I agree it was Julie's decision.
The debate is why did she make the decision and what did she or did she not know when she made it.
I won't be making that list Adam, as I explained in an earlier post I am searching for a needle today 

[Adam]

I agree it was Julie's decision.
The debate is why did she make the decision and what did she or did she not know when she made it.
I won't be making that list Adam, as I explained in an earlier post I am searching for a needle today 

I've given 25 reasons why she made her decision. All she had been told was MM had done it.

I look forward to seeing a list from someone. Rather than supporters just saying Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the bodies.

[JackiePreece]

I've given 25 reasons why she made her decision. All she had been told was MM had done it.

I look forward to seeing a list from someone. Rather than supporters just saying Bamber is innocent because Julie identified the bodies.

Remind me if Mugford was telling the truth she KNEW the person responsible for the murders of 3 adults and 2 children was her partner the person she was sleeping with

There were no depths to her anger no longer being Jeremy's girlfriend and missing out on the JACKPOT

Remind me Adam of the pillow incident

This is not a normal human being

[guest2181]

Nope. Gish Gallops are made of bullshit. For example It's applies to Adam but not Scipio.

PS this is a very strange way of ignoring me.

How about trying to trick people in to believing Remington and Eley are the same bullets, does that count? 

[David1819]

How about trying to trick people in to believing Remington and Eley are the same bullets, does that count? 

No. Because they are. Trying to trick people in to believing Remington .22lr and Eley are different bullets would count thou.

[guest2181]

No. Because they are. Trying to trick people in to believing Remington .22lr and Eley are different bullets would count thou.

They are not, Eley is British made and far superior quality. In the US Remington distribute Eley products as high end products and package them up in boxes with the names of both manufacturers.

What purpose does it serve for you to deny this easily confirmed fact? Weird. 

[guest2181]

They are not, Eley is British made and far superior quality. In the US Remington distribute Eley products as high end products and package them up in boxes with the names of both manufacturers.

What purpose does it serve for you to deny this easily confirmed fact? Weird. 

Heck, it even says on the boxes - Manufactured by Eley in England. 

[lookout]

Why mix different brands ? Isn't it always best to use the same consecutively as you would when using household batteries for better performance ?

Because it was a comparatively new rifle,I'd have thought that sticking to one particular make/brand of bullets would make it more efficient ?

[Jane]

Why mix different brands ? Isn't it always best to use the same consecutively as you would when using household batteries for better performance ?

Because it was a comparatively new rifle,I'd have thought that sticking to one particular make/brand of bullets would make it more efficient ?

Why does everything have to be about absolutes? A may NOT be as efficient as B, but if one happens to have a supply of B, it would be false economy to ditch it in favour of A.

[guest2181]

Why mix different brands ? Isn't it always best to use the same consecutively as you would when using household batteries for better performance ?

Because it was a comparatively new rifle,I'd have thought that sticking to one particular make/brand of bullets would make it more efficient ?

They did, they used Eley only.

The images provided by David are not connected to this case, they show packaging of Eley bullets sold in the US distributed by Remington.
Such packaging is not available in the UK as they are distributed by Eley themselves.